We went through that years ago. Are you going to bring it up again for every new member and make them track it down?
Okay,
As for why humans might have become domesticated in the first place, hypotheses abound. Wrangham favors the idea that as early people formed cooperative societies, evolutionary pressures favored mates whose features were less âalpha,â or aggressive. âThere was active selection, for the very first time, against the bullies and the genes that favored their aggression,â he adds. But so far, âHumans are the only species that have managed this.â
That answers that.
Help me out, I read that, where did God, or even knowledge come into this? It was about domestication and the, not outlandish, notion that we humans may have domesticated ourselves, I see it making sense, so far as it goes.
ScienceAdvisor - EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY - 4 Dec 2019
Dosage analysis of the 7q11.23 Williams region identifies BAZ1B as a major human gene patterning the modern human face and underlying self-domestication
"⌠By querying the OMIM database, we found that several DEGs were associated with genetic disorders whose phenotypes include âmental retardation,â âintellectual disability,â and/or âfacial dysmorphismsâ (Fig. 2D), underscoring the pertinence of BAZ1B-dependent dysregulation across both the neurocristopathic and cognitive axes.
Last, a master regulator analysis identified candidate regulators of BAZ1B DEGs, including factors involved in enhancer marking [CEBPB, p300, RBBP5, HDAC2 (histone deacetylase 2), KDM1A, and TCF12], promoter activation [TBP (TATA boxâbinding protein), TAF1 (TBP-associated factor 1), and POL2 (polymerase 2)], and chromatin remodeling (CTCF, RAD21, and YY1) (Fig. 2E and fig. S2D), several of which are themselves causative genes of intellectual disability syndromes with neurocristopathic involvement, as in the case of our recently identified Gabrieleâde Vries syndrome caused by YY1 haploinsufficiency . âŚ"
Write4U would probably appreciate this, bet this involvces microtubules,
This highlights its pervasiveness within the NC epigenome (Fig. 3C) and is also reflected in the key functional enrichments observed for the BAZ1B direct targets that are also expressed and that include âaxon guidance,â âtube development,â âdendrite development,â âoutflow tract morphogenesis,â âodontogenesis,â âwound healing,â and âendochondral bone morphogenesisâ (Fig. 3D). Many of the phenomena captured by these GO categories (e.g., odontogenesis and endochondral bone morphogenesis) are linked to recent changes in the bone structure of modern (versus archaic) humans, with Homo sapiens having characteristically smaller teeth than its extinct relatives.
In sum, the direct and dosage-sensitive control by BAZ1B of genes that underwent regulatory changes in human evolution and whose altered expression underlies neurocristopathic facial dysmorphisms is consistent with the hypothesis of mild neurocristopathy as the mechanistic core selected in the self-domestication of the modern human face.
Here we go, near the end:
Last, it is noteworthy that genes implicated in NC development also play significant roles in the establishment of brain circuits that are critical for cognitive processes like language or theory of mind prominently affected in 7q11.23 syndromes. Among the genes downstream of BAZ1B that we uncovered in this study, FOXP2 , ROBO1 , and ROBO2 have long been implicated in brain wiring processes critical for vocal learning in several species (50, 51), including humans, and will warrant further mechanistic dissection in light of the distinctive linguistic profile of WBS individuals. In conclusion, our findings establish the heuristic power of neurodevelopmental disease modeling for the study of human evolution.
Okay, so now, what is M.Y. trying to torture this into? The God bit confuses.
It was Mike who added the confusion. When he started his âGod is knowledgeâ spiel years ago he had a longer version of it that included how those gods of knowledge domesticated humans. When I figured it out and told him, he went quiet. Now he pops up now and then tries his BS on a newbie.
Reminds me a science-fiction novella.
A group of explorers crash on a primitive planet, inhabited by â primitiveâ people and are captured.
They are asked to prove they are humans and are submitted toe a rite of passage.
They understand that, in fact, these rites are selective tests to better the race.
Oh I get it.
Thatâs funny.
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And that, takes my mind to, this:
In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him.
And Man gave unto God a multitude of names, that he might be Lord over all the earth when it was suited to Man.
And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.
And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.
And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned; and some were put apart from their kind.
And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.
But as all these things did come to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.
And man saw it not.
But for Christâs sake heâd better start looking.
And that, Morgan, reminds me of the Hitler Youth during the happy days.
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Morgan,
I apologize for dumping this overall reply on you. Was the novella by Van Vogt?
I think it is fair to say that because of its access to information and each other, the internet has carried us closer to a pure democracy. But the link between users is virtual, and devoid of the consequences of physical contact. We can say things that civility would demand we keep to ourselves. Using creative login IDs, we can hide our identities from each otherâźnot the provider and the lawâźsafe from accountability. James Madison wrote a constitution for a republic rather than a democracy because:
âHence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deathsâ. (The Federalist #10)
Madisonâs conclusions were rendered part of evolution by Darwinâs discoveries some 80 years or so later, and were rendered part of human evolution by discoveries of sociobiologists William Hamilton and E.O. Wilson in the 1960s. Wilson was moved to link his conclusions with human political behavior by warning that our âpaleolithic genesâ stand in the way of our becoming civil. In the stone age these genes were key to survival of Homo sapiens, but they inhibit civility(Of course there are cooperative genes, but they arenât an anti-civility problem). When Wilson added this political dimension to sociobiology, he punctuated a polemic war between social scientists and biologists that continues to this day.
Finally, I get to my point. Stated in its simplest terms. I contend that the national epidemic of political polarization, and lack of civility on the web are driven by activation of paleolithic genes. The activated individuals are obsessed with certainty about conclusions they have been convinced to accept by web sources. Their certainty is strong enough, so that anyone challenging it is an existential threat. Iâm not referring to empirical conclusions that derive from an experiment that disproves ESP. Iâm talking about scientific conclusions that require sufficient uncertainty to be open to new data that challenge them. Certainty does not allow for the recognition of new data. It allows for the establishment of a religion. Gnostic atheism is certain. That is why I call it a secular religion. That is also why consider those who preach it to be equivalent to clergymen (or women). They arenât acting like scientists or skeptics.
An example: When I was a member of CFI West in the 1990s, we used the internet sparsely and I was attracted to lectures on âadaptationism vs. geneticism as mechanism for evolutionâ and âatheismâ attended in person. As members met over tea in the foyer of the building on Temple St., we tended to agree on the evolution subject, but dissenters did not show animosity. My opinion that gnostic atheism is a secular religion, however, did not sit well with the majority. They were vehement, but respectful. When we parted, I detected no sense that I was a threat. Richard Dawkins was their hero. He was a gnostic atheist, then. Today he is an agnostic atheist. I drifted away from CFI West because they became obsessed with the atheism issue to the point of demonizing anyone who was religious. I shall probably drift away from this forum because it seems to contain a lot of certain âskepticsâ. For scientific discussion of the climate change question, I shall go to a forum that addresses adiabatic cooling, albedo computation for rough surfaces, or the role of Reynolds number in calculating cyclone vortex flow, etc.
Thanks to the few of you reading this far. I apologize for my wordiness. I know it is painful. My colleagues call me âponderousâ.
No need to present yours excuses, howardwinet, your points are interesting.
And, yes Nazis and Stalinians wanted to create the over manâŚ.
And yes, the interaction between our genes and our behavior is a true subject.
Sorry, i donât remember the author of this story, read years ago.
Hello Howard,
I know that your god doesnât exist.
Bye Howard
Yeah you addressed this to Morgan, but this is an open community, and with an opening line that . . . .
You can expect others to step up.
Can you provide any evidence to support your suggestion that internet has help democracy along.
In 2024, instead of acting as a check on power, the media aided and abetted Trumpâs restoration at every turn â whether by outright manipulating their platforms to push Trump propaganda, relentlessly amplifying racist conspiracy theories, suppressing political content while groveling before Republican politicians, abandoning political endorsements and undermining their own journalists, profiting off the relentless onslaught of misleading political ads, or focusing on the horse-race stories, opinion-poll watching and fake scandalizing that infects political reporting everywhere.
As Michael Tomasky of The New Republic writes, the right-wing media âfed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win.â The right continues to set the countryâs news agenda, with mainstream outlets largely following along. And even when journalists did good reporting that exposed the danger and depravity of Trump â and so many tried â there was no one amplifying it in broad swaths of the country.
So perhaps you should to start by explaining what the heck a Democracy is, in your head?
Yeah. That would be accurate
Yes.
If your response is that the first religion was a form of civilization. Then you are correct. But the common factor is knowledge. God is just a word that explains to us what it is. No more than gnostic is a newer word that puts all religions of knowledge under one word.
For example. Gods in history did not have to be humans.
âYerushalayimâ in Hebrew, or as we know it as Jerusalem today. In the bible was Yahweh-yireh. âŚfirst part of the name to the verb yara, meaning âto flowâ or "to teach/instruct,âŚ
Common factor of teaching is the knowledge.
Trees could also be knowledge. Along with the fruit it bears.
What all scholars agree upon is that there were to many gods to count. In the time of Jesus there was over 100,000 gods. What do you think was the common factor of all these gods?
There are many changes taking place at this time with todayâs scholars about the understanding of how religion was lived and understood in the past. One of the issues taking place right now is that Jesus was rich man. As most of us that view religious history have understood for decades. This item is not being challenged at the academic levels. This brings Jesus into one the many Common Factors that most gods were part of. Ethier rich and powerful, highly educated, skilled teacher, doctors, political, traditional, and so on. The Paulin religions did not fit these common factors and used miracles and supernatural cause, such as divine intervention. I would say that Pauline religion is a political religion.
Point being, most religions were built upon science. Paulâs religion was built upon belief. Paulin religion expanded and took over because of Constantine the Great made Paulin religion the empires only religion.
So, no. Unless you give more details. I would have to say the common factors of these gods were the request for knowledge. In which the Paulin religion was not part of this common factor.
Read the books, religions are built on faith.
Within all thinking human there has always been a desire to understand the natural world and to try to take better control of it. That is the kernel that later became science ( a set of rules focused on learning, based on physical reality and evidence and repeatability, demanding honest constructive debates based on the evidence at hand - and a sharing of ideas.
Bushmen hunting an animal needed the same kind of cold calculating thinking and cooperation. But that doesnât make that stuff science.
Religions certainly are a product of a âSearch for Truthâ - the same as Science is a âSearch for Truthâ - But they are looking for different truths, and religions have never had the âright stuffâ to pass the most basic of Scienceâs Golden Rules - falsifiability, replicability, objectivity, and honesty.
And that is because religions are about spiritual, personal, psychological âTruthâ.
Religions are a product of our minds and emotions.
While the Sciences are about observing, studying, mastering physical reality - and doing its best to keep human egos and biases out of it.
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Simple enough. Letâs start with the Code of Ur-Nammu. Was faith in the moon what drove the people to the divine? Or the need for a system of protein and social equality? How much are religions today built upon traditions and verbal communication? I donât know of anyone that really understands the book of Genesis.