# Frank Jackson's famous 'Mary's Room' Thought Experiment **URL:** \ **Category:** Science and Technology\ **Created:** [February 16, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146 "2023-02-16T23:23:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146/21 "2023-02-19T18:13:14Z")
> [quote=“citizenschallengev4, post:20, topic:10146”] > Mind you, wood burning fire stove is our source of heat, so . . . I think this fear came before campfires, but during many volcanic eruptions and/or forest fires as part of the evolution of “fight or flight” instinct.. Interestingly, Chimpanzees are not afraid of wild-fires. # Chimps Master First Step in Controlling Fire By [Charles Q. Choi](https://www.livescience.com/62824-about-us.html) published December 21, 2009 > Chimps remain cool under fire, possessing a near human ability to predict how wildfires spread and react accordingly. > This newfound capability of [chimpanzees](https://www.livescience.com/chimpanzee-facts.html) to understand flames might shed light on when and how our distant ancestors first learned to control fire, scientists now suggest. ([About Live Science | Live Science](https://www.livescience.com/62824-about-us.html)) > Of course, neither explains why a frog would want to be painted red. The fact that there are red and yellow (both brightly visible) frogs proves that natural selection found that a “dare” in plain sight can offer greater survival potential than camouflage and hiding. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146/22 "2023-02-19T22:57:00Z")
I know and it’s a very pretty red and there could very well be a critter who feed on that frog who is immune from the toxin. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146/23 "2023-02-20T01:45:27Z")
And that is what natural selection sorts out… 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146/24 "2023-02-27T13:55:23Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > thinking about the a deeper understanding of the products of the past centuries of scientific investigation. What we haven’t been able to do is put a thought in a test tube. At best, we can see different parts of the brain firing up. Most people struggle to tell you where their values come from, or the difference between thoughts and feelings. I’ve heard of experiments on when the thought of moving your hand occurs vs when the impulse occurs to do the movement, but I don’t completely get it. They say we take actions, or have feelings, then our frontal lobe creates a narrative to describe it, as if we “decided” to do it. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146/25 "2023-02-27T16:22:47Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I’ve heard of experiments on when the thought of moving your hand occurs vs when the impulse occurs to do the movement, but I don’t completely get it. They say we take actions, or have feelings, then our frontal lobe creates a narrative to describe it, as if we “decided” to do it. The brain creates “action potentials” in response sensory stimulation. A perfect example is having to wince as in pain when watching someone hurt them themselves and experiencing the same emotional response, but without the real physical trauma. We call it empathy, but it is a clear example that the brain generates certain responses from observing external events. It originated of course with the “fight or flight” impulse. [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/frank-jacksons-famous-marys-room-thought-experiment/10146.md?page=1)