Do angels have wings ? Or they are painted by us?

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.

20:4 exodus

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.

Ezekiel 10:1-22

That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other

in the celestial war ?

Zoroastrianism

Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.

What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is

hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.

G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!

The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power

. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.

Maimonides

he puts heirarchy like this

Rank Angelic Class Notes


1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 ElohimGodly beings
8 Bene ElohimSons of Godly beings
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5

then the christian one

1: Seraphims

2:Cherubins

3:Thrones (Ophanims)

4.Dominations

5.Virtues

6.Powers

7.Principalities

8.Archangels

9.Angels

are the order of christians.

But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi’s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?

Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.

So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !

1 kings6:27

27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.

It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

Where does it say they don’t have wings ?

The ophanims ( Thrones)

they do not have wings

Ezekiel 1:15-21

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.

There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.

A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren’t they archangels shouldn’t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God’s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.

Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.

So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based but made up.

Thanks for these informations, i will use them

I consider angels to be a creation of humans, just as religion and the texts thereof were created by humans. Therefore, the wings are painted by us humans.

Yeah and I hear Heather Holmes did all thinking for her bother Sherlock, who actually just wrote the books, because Conan Doyle was actually a literary invention of the creepy Sherlock Holmes under the direction of his over bearing but so much sharper elder sister Heather.

A little known fact is that Heather was Sherlock’s arch enemy Moriarty, who liked to tease her little brother… :brain: :exploding_head:

OMG, now, it all makes sense!!!

Laughs, nice imagination.

There is a movie called “The Prophecy” that depicts angels in an interesting way.

I think angels were created by people, just as humans created religion and books. As a result, we humans paint the wings.

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Yeah, with Hollywood perfection. (or should I have said polish)

Good answer,
though, don’t stop there Emilyn, we also create our own gods from within our wonderful minds. :slight_smile:

Even science fiction needs to be scientifically correct.

Trying to fly without wings usually results in death! Unless you are Superman, but of course he is an alien life form… :angel:

Why comment on something you know nothing about?

Pray tell, what do you know about angels?

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Hi mate. Are you in Israel? Or the States now? You obviously come from a conservative Israeli Jewish background. But not Haredi. Certainly not Hasidic, or you wouldn’t be here. Orthodox with a small ‘o’? Hence your idolization of Trump.

During my journey I believed in the God and beings of the Bible. I can no longer. Much as I would atavistically like to! We’re all looking for the re-enchantment of reality : )

Shalom

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Well damn me. Wrong movie popped into my head,

The Prophecy is an American fantasy horror-thriller film franchise, which focuses on angels fighting each other to protect the survival of the human race on Earth.

Well I do know enough about angels to know that’s a bunch of idiotic garbage, tailored for a disconnected society that loves idiotic Hollywood garbage. It’s no wonder we’re busy destroying ourselves, our society and our planet.

Merry christmas big guy.

Walken is perfect as Gabriel gone to the bad.

Prophecy is not the protrayal of the Lord and his angels it’s A movie only a movie. Paradise Lost and Zoroastrianism are to blame for all this that people believe that movie.

How quaint. The tellers of fictional stories, claiming that other fictional stories are fiction.

It’s all fiction. Scripture has its morality messages , but it’s fiction nevertheless.

You may want to consult the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible. Q’uran, and Book of Mormons.
It dissembles Scripture into pure fiction without any credible proofs.

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That he was. The whole backstory of angels being hostile to humanity was a good change of pace.

Haven’t seen the movie, but it’s easy to believe that.
Heck might have to buy some beer and popcorn and watch it, just to see how well Walken does a nasty Gabriel.

  • Gabriel : I’m an angel. I kill firstborns while their mamas watch. I turn cities into salt. I even, when I feel like it, rip the souls from little girls, and from now till kingdom come, the only thing you can count on in your existence is never understanding why.