# DISTURBING Link Between Trump And His Shooter **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [July 16, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995 "2024-07-16T20:47:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/1 "2024-07-16T20:47:37Z")
What the Republicans and their vocal imaginative surrogates don’t want us to know. The Republicans gun fetish is another tipping point no one wants to recognize. The first half of this is interesting, but the meat and potatoes starts here: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/a/6/a694468152c2a31a04b53cd69f0600cbd3345a5d.jpeg "Reporters Find DISTURBING Link Between Trump And His Shooter") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i02XE2A29Z0&t=257) > July 16, 2024 > British reporters just uncovered a disturbing — and very telling — link between Donald Trump and the man who shot him in Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![stateless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/stateless/32/24073_2.png) [@stateless](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/stateless)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/2 "2024-07-16T22:17:00Z")
Do you condemn the shooting? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/3 "2024-07-17T00:08:13Z")
> [@stateless](#): > > Do you condemn the shooting? Sure I can condemn the shooter. How about you? Do you condemn the Republican gun fetish ? > **[‘It’s who they are’: gun-fetish photo a symbol of Republican abasement under...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/06/republicans-christmas-photo-thomas-massie-trump)** > > Thomas Massie’s incendiary picture, days after a deadly school shooting in Michigan, seemed carefully calibrated to provoke > **[Mapping price of Republican gun fetish](https://thedemlabs.org/2023/05/06/republican-gun-fetish-map-texas-mall-shooting/)** > > 315 shooting victims in 72 hours , , … ---
**Author:** ![stateless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/stateless/32/24073_2.png) [@stateless](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/stateless)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/4 "2024-07-17T00:58:08Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Sure I can condemn the shooter. > > How about you? Do you condemn the Republican gun fetish ? But you agree with comparing trump to hitler . ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/5 "2024-07-17T02:50:11Z")
Occupy Democrats is [not a credible source,](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/occupy-democrats/) so anything they say should be taken with a big grain of salt. It’s no secret politicians use demographic data to sway voters, O.D. is just presenting it in way to seem more sinister. The same is true for the gun issue – yes, it’s a fact gun owners are far more likely to be republican. So what? Very few become amateur snipers. Really, there is no _link_ between Trump and Crooks. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/6 "2024-07-17T03:20:44Z")
> [@stateless](#): > > > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > > Sure I can condemn the shooter. > > > > How about you? Do you condemn the Republican gun fetish ? > > But you agree with comparing trump to hitler . Actual, it’s all about the comparison between trump’s words and stuff hitler wrote. [https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/18/trump-borrows-from-the-language-of-hitler-for-anti-immigration-speech-in-new-hampshire/](https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/18/trump-borrows-from-the-language-of-hitler-for-anti-immigration-speech-in-new-hampshire/) > **[Why Trump's authoritarian language about 'vermin' matters](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213746885/trump-vermin-hitler-immigration-authoritarian-republican-primary)** > > The former president called his political opponents "vermin" and said immigration is "poisoning the blood" of the U.S., echoing language used by Adolf Hitler, raising questions about authoritarianism. But since you brought it up, some do look a little deeper, > [The reich stuff – what does Trump really have in common with Hitler? | Donald Trump | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/03/donald-trump-hitler-similarities) - [David Smith](https://www.theguardian.com/profile/davidsmith), June 3, 2024 > > When Donald Trump shared a [video](https://joebiden.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=db6b693f24f8d92d026e0c2d2&id=7840f97cd1&e=6d795277b4) that dreamed of a “[unified reich](https://joebiden.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=db6b693f24f8d92d026e0c2d2&id=734f27c4cf&e=6d795277b4)” if he wins the US presidential election, and took nearly a full day to remove it, **the most shocking thing was how unshocking it was.** > > Trump has reportedly said before that Adolf Hitler did “[some good things](https://joebiden.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=db6b693f24f8d92d026e0c2d2&id=add662a015&e=6d795277b4)”, echoed the Nazi dictator by calling his political opponents “vermin” and saying immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country”, and responded to a white supremacist march in Charlottesville by claiming that there were “very fine people on both sides”. > > The Hitler-Trump analogy is controversial. “Some of Trump’s critics – including Biden’s campaign – argue that Trump’s incendiary rhetoric and authoritarian behavior justify the comparison,” the [Politico website observed](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2024/05/21/the-rights-fascism-problem-00159265) recently. “ > … > The former camp now includes [Henk de Berg](https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/slc/people/academic/henk-de-berg), a professor of German at the University of Sheffield in Britain. The Dutchman, whose previous books include Freud’s Theory and Its Use in Literary and Cultural Studies, has just published **[Trump and Hitler](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-51833-1): A Comparative Study in Lying.** > > In it, De Berg compares and contrasts Hitler and Trump as political performance artists and how they connect with their respective audiences. He examines the two men’s work ethic, management style and narcissism, as well as quirks… ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/7 "2024-07-17T03:26:45Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Occupy Democrats is [not a credible source,](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/occupy-democrats/) so anything they say should be taken with a big grain of salt. It’s no secret politicians use demographic data to sway voters, O.D. is just presenting it in way to seem more sinister. Absolutely, take it with a grain of salt. Look for supporting, reinforcing info, with an eye out for contradictory info. It’s how we learn. I shared this one because it resonated with my thoughts. Now, please specifically what part, of that specific video do you want to warn me about? What’s misleading? What contra information should I be looking at? Invite a little dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/8 "2024-07-17T12:19:48Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > but the meat and potatoes starts here: That is hyperbole. Calling it a secret database is silly. It’s data I could get if I was an average marketing person. We saw how they “call up” their army. It’s done through signalling out in the open, and then they deny it’s signalling. The next shooter could be #10,000 in some database ranking somewhere. It doesn’t matter. It’s the culture that has been created over the last few decades that matters. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/9 "2024-07-17T13:25:21Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Calling it a secret database is silly. Calling it database isn’t silly. Classifying weapons types owned, is super weird and scary and shows intent. It should be worrying as hell, but like the frog in the overheating cooking pot said, problem, what problem. Here’s a wee background on how innocent beginnings snowball, and next we know we’ve gotten half the nation conned into electing a totally malicious American government hating monster, Putin sucker as President. > **[Newly Published Cambridge Analytica Documents Show Unlawful Support for Trump...](https://campaignlegal.org/update/newly-published-cambridge-analytica-documents-show-unlawful-support-trump-2016)** > > New documents show how Cambridge Analytica enabled the Trump campaign to break campaign finance law.  > **[Leaked: Cambridge Analytica's blueprint for Trump victory](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/23/leaked-cambridge-analyticas-blueprint-for-trump-victory)** > > Exclusive: Former employee explains how presentation showed techniques used to target voters > **[Inside the Trump campaign’s ties with Cambridge Analytica | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/trump-campaign-cambridge-analytica/index.html)** > > Top Trump campaign brass spent the summer of 2016 grappling with how to build a digital operation for the general election and came upon a possible solution: Cambridge Analytica. > **[Why the weapon of choice matters in the Trump assassination attempt](https://www.npr.org/2024/07/15/g-s1-10410/why-the-weapon-of-choice-matters-in-the-trump-assassination-attempt)** > > The shooter who tried to assassinate the former president used an AR-15. Pulitzer-winning Washington Post reporter Todd Frankel explains why this rifle is the weapon of choice for mass shooters. Now trump and his dark money loaded masters are doing their best to turn American into a war scene. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/10 "2024-07-17T17:09:24Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > problem, what problem. Your standard response. If you don’t understand, call it dismissive. It’s the “secret” part that’s silly. You think there isn’t a database of all the stuff you’ve bought to work on your land? How do you think they target you with marketing. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/11 "2024-07-17T18:50:41Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > You think there isn’t a database of all the stuff you’ve bought to work on your land? It’s what one is doing with that database, it’s about what one is focused on. That can tell us a great deal about the compiler of said demographics. It’s the close attention, in fact obsession, accompanied by arming (making automatic weapons easier than driver’s licenses to acquire) and inciting people’s emotions - that should be of concern or at least passing interest to peaceable Americans. > [@lausten](#): > > How do you think they target you with marketing. Oh so you do understand that people comb these databases with specific intentions in mind. But making it a big deal to know exactly who and where those gun owners are, and what types of guns they own, by people who have demonstrated utter unhinged hostility and murder lust in their hearts for their political enemies - **you tell me nothing to see here move along.** I beg to differ. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/12 "2024-07-17T22:43:52Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > that should be of concern or at least passing interest to peaceable Americans. Of course it’s "of concern ", but like you sometimes ask our trolls, what are you going to do about it? I can’t stop the corporate crime of Analytics, I don’t control the RNC, I can’t reach everyone who falls for the propaganda. But you know I do what I can. I vote for people that I don’t like and I’m part of the fastest growing org that is bringing people together. > **[Braving the Gun Divide](https://braverangels.org/braving-the-gun-divide/)** > > Ciaran O'Connor shares insights from his latest podcast "Braving the Gun Divide," featuring a gun safety advocate and a conservative proponent of gun rights. > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > you tell me nothing to see here move along. I never say that. It’s how you react when someone doesn’t praise your post. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/0/f/0f218541078f6f097d673d160f9c71d95569b692.jpeg "Do guns keep people safe? A Braver Angels Debate 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czn6ZYbVgYo) ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/13 "2024-07-17T23:30:02Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I never say that. Your words came across that way. > [@lausten](#): > > It’s how you react when someone doesn’t praise your post. No it’s how I act when someone tries to trivialize what should not be trivialized - whether it’s done for effect or whatever. > [@lausten](#): > > Of course it’s "of concern ", but like you sometimes ask our trolls, what are you going to do about it? Me, be overwhelmed and step back and repeat the [serenity prayer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer#:~:text=God%2C%20grant%20me%20the%20serenity,also%20produced%20a%20wall%20plaque.). Sometime if the holes in the Swiss cheese line up, I manage to share important developments/information, to allay the feeling of utter helplessness watching idiot choice, after idiotic choice, being made. Or trying to stomach the latest self-destruction thing to come along, currently the utterly juvenile ego driven way Democrats are dealing with Biden’s age. DNC one thing they are good at losing battles we should be winning. Self-inflicted wounds right and left. We’ll see if the average American is smarter than what corporate media wants us to believe, lordie, lordie do I hope so. Then I turn to the things that maybe I can do some little good, family, locally and beyond if I dare. ### [In Defense of Women. A postcard advocacy campaign. (v.3)](https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2024/07/in-defense-of-women-postcard-advocacy.html) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/5/d/5d0df24855730b446d3b43716d2bd175605b9968.png) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/3/0/3037bb3c7c99d673860bd99058dd0d399bb96271.png) > [@In Defense of Women](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/in-defense-of-women/10550/25): > > _ **If you’re curious look up** _ _ **“In Defense of Women” postcard advocacy** _ _ **-** _ [_ **https://gofund.me/d0738415** _](https://gofund.me/d0738415) > _ **Thank you, Peter Miesler, email at** _ [_ **citizenschallenge@gmail.com** _](mailto:citizenschallenge@gmail.com) The two latest donations at GoFundMe are my own just to keep the thing alive. So, to answer your question Lausten I’m doing what I can where I can. Sure would love a little support. **[Fundraiser by Peter Miesler : In defense of women, postcard (activism)](https://gofund.me/d0738415)** ---
**Author:** ![stateless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/stateless/32/24073_2.png) [@stateless](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/stateless)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/14 "2024-07-17T23:37:01Z")
Actually it was the media saying he is the new hitler. Do you agree with the media here? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/15 "2024-07-18T00:03:48Z")
Actually the media was reporting. Are you a fan of Project 2025? ---
**Author:** ![stateless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/stateless/32/24073_2.png) [@stateless](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/stateless)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/16 "2024-07-18T00:13:16Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Actually the media was reporting. You also say trump is the next hitler?? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/17 "2024-07-18T01:52:37Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > No it’s how I act when someone tries to trivialize what should not be trivialized You trivialize everything by saying we have to understand the physical world/mindscape divide. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/18 "2024-07-18T02:00:17Z")
> [@stateless](#): > > You also say trump is the next hitler?? Isn’t being stuck with trump hideous enough for you? Oh, and you are incredibly superficial, look beyond the labels. Oh and for the record there will never be another Hitler, nor will the 1930s -1940s come back. We never repeat history exactly the same way, but the ultimate self destruction that was Hitler’s doing - will certain be visited upon America if trump and his Project 2025 come to fruition. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/19 "2024-07-18T02:57:12Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Occupy Democrats is [not a credible source,](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/occupy-democrats/) so anything they say should be taken with a big grain of salt. It’s no secret politicians use demographic data to sway voters, O.D. is just presenting it in way to seem more sinister. > > Absolutely, take it with a grain of salt. Look for supporting, reinforcing info, with an eye out for contradictory info. It’s how we learn. I shared this one because it resonated with my thoughts. > > Now, please specifically what part, of that specific video do you want to warn me about? What’s misleading? What contra information should I be looking at? Invite a little dialogue. The entire clip is misleading because no link exists between Trump and Crookes. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995/20 "2024-07-18T03:28:18Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > The entire clip is misleading because no link exists between Trump and Crookes. What do you mean, the kid is a product of the MAGA brainwashing megaphone, and arming of unqualified people with automatic weapons and bloodlust - paid for by Billionaire Dark Money taking us all for a ride to the dark side of humanity. That is what the trump thing is all about dude!!! And Crooks is simply another example. Vandals to core, and worse. Disregard for all because they have no awareness of their world. Blaming everyone but themselves, for all their problems, because they are lost and bitter. Grievance and retribution, and so on. There’s noting but increasing bad times, and ugly times and bloody times, by way of the MAGA roadmap for 2025. Inevitable horrors like we the people of this country can’t imagine. **This has quite literally become the American’s choice this election. This next election matters like none ever before. We are on the cusp of actually destroying our well planned and balanced government plan & Constitution. It’s a true horror at our door step, especially after the Supreme Court’s recent decisions, and other travesties of the American judicial systems - once again it came down to people knuckling under to ruthless bullies.** ## Elections matter. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/disturbing-link-between-trump-and-his-shooter/10995.md?page=2)