# David Bohm -Dalai Lama conversation **URL:** \ **Category:** Event Announcements\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394 "2020-06-22T13:37:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/1 "2020-06-22T13:37:15Z")
**The Dalai Lama & Science** — A Birthday Celebration **0 7 . 05 . 2 0** **5:30 PM PT | 8:30 PM ET** [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/8/8adfb0579aa538410ea53ca171def8c72e9ed2e2.jpeg "Infinite Potential: Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbgdI3NLiY) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/2 "2020-06-23T15:38:20Z")
And this important work [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpurdHKpb8) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/3 "2020-09-28T11:27:49Z")
Only 2 more days for free viewing!!! > **[Infinite Potential: The Life and Ideas of David Bohm](https://www.infinitepotential.com/)** > > Join us on an incredible journey into the nature of life and reality with David Bohm, the man Einstein called his “spiritual son” and the Dalai Lama his “science guru.” ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/4 "2020-09-28T15:00:10Z")
it’s hitting exactly two days as I post this!! ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/5 "2020-09-28T21:12:25Z")
OMG that was awesome. Just skirting the edge of woo-woo, but that’s what Bohn did, so you can’t talk about him without doing that. I’m curious to know more from Oppenheimer’s perspective, about why he ignored Bohm’s Hidden Variables. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/6 "2021-08-17T01:43:45Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I’m curious to know more from Oppenheimer’s perspective, about why he ignored Bohm’s Hidden Variables. An inconvenient truth? ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/7 "2021-08-17T03:22:46Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I’m curious to know more from Oppenheimer’s perspective, about why he ignored Bohm’s Hidden Variables. What really caught my attention is that the Pilot Wave model solves the apparent particle /wave duality conflict. Particles are particles at all times but ride the Pilot Wave with all it’s interferences and eddies. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/8 "2021-08-17T19:23:59Z")
You have to pay $16 to see it now. I might have some notes but that “conflict” doesn’t ring a bell. I’m dealing some elder care law issues at the moment, so probably won’t be getting back to you on this one. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/9 "2021-08-17T19:44:53Z")
[quote=“lausten, post:8, topic:7394, full:true”] > You have to pay $16 to see it now. I might have some notes but that “conflict” doesn’t ring a bell. Right, the Pilot Wave Model (Bohmian Mechanics) was not discussed, that’s pure physics. > I’m dealing some elder care law issues at the moment, so probably won’t be getting back to you on this one. Are you per chance dealing with a new Fed law requiring “home health providers” from using a "smart-phone with GPS locating " for a new EVV (Electronic Visit Verification) program? Orwell’s 1984 is here. Big Brother is watching every move 843,000 homehealth aides make and are required to buy smart phones and be trained to use them . If you don’t comply you don’t get paid and will be fired by the health care provider’s agency, regardless if you are the best nurse in the world. Do the administrative stuff on the fly as a warehouse clerk keeps track of inventory or lose your job. Except human patients are not cans of beans and their needs change daily. Result: Thousands of elderly will be removed from their homes and placed in long term care facilities, i.e being “warehoused” ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/10 "2021-08-18T01:09:08Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I’m curious to know more from Oppenheimer’s perspective, about why he ignored Bohm’s Hidden Variables. This may shed some light on Bohm’s “hidden variable” hypothesis. This assumes an unmeasurable dynamic aspect to all dimensions of spacetime. A fundamental wave-like behavior what Bohm and deBroglie named the Pilot Wave, which is the guiding principle behind all dynamic phenomena, but allows for “hidden variables”, which argues against quantum uncertainty. AFAIK, Bohm’s purely deterministic universe does not allow for quantum uncertainty, but does allow for local interference of quantum superposition. It also explains the apparent particle /wave duality. In the Pilot Wave model, particles are always particles and their wavelike behavior is due to the underlying universal Pilot Wave ## 13. **Nonlocality** > Bohmian mechanics is manifestly nonlocal. The velocity, as expressed in [the guiding equation](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/#ge), of any particle of a many-particle system will typically depend upon the positions of the other, possibly distant, particles whenever the wave function of the system is entangled, i.e., not a product of single-particle wave functions. This is true, for example, for the EPR-Bohm wave function, describing a pair of spin-1/2 particles in the singlet state, that Bell and many others analyzed. Thus Bohmian mechanics makes explicit the most dramatic feature of quantum theory: quantum nonlocality, as discussed in Section 2. > It should be emphasized that the nonlocality of Bohmian mechanics derives solely from the nonlocality, discussed in [Section 2](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/#ImpoHiddVariHInevNonl), built into the structure of standard quantum theory. This nonlocality originates from a wave function on configuration space, an abstraction which, roughly speaking, combines—or binds—distant particles into a single irreducible reality. As Bell has stressed, > “That the guiding wave, in the general case, propagates not in ordinary three-space but in a multidimensional-configuration space is the origin of the notorious “nonlocality” of quantum mechanics. It is a merit of the de Broglie-Bohm version to bring this out so explicitly that it cannot be ignored.” (Bell 1980, reprinted 1987c: 115) > **[Bohmian Mechanics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/#Nonl)** ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/11 "2021-08-29T18:51:16Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > This may shed some light on Bohm’s “hidden variable” hypothesis. Honestly. I can’t follow this. I was totally lost at about “singlet” ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/12 "2021-08-29T19:09:04Z")
[quote=“lausten, post:11, topic:7394”] > Honestly. I can’t follow this. I was totally lost at about “singlet” ## Singlet state ## Description > In quantum mechanics, a singlet state usually refers to a system in which all electrons are paired. The term ‘singlet’ originally meant a linked set of particles whose net angular momentum is zero, that is, whose overall spin quantum number s=0. As a result, there is only one spectral line of a singlet state. > **[Singlet state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlet_state)** > > In quantum mechanics, a singlet state usually refers to a system in which all electrons are paired. The term "singlet" originally meant a linked set of particles whose net angular momentum is zero, that is, whose overall spin quantum number > > > > s > = > 0 > > > {\\displaystyle s=0} > > . As a result, there is only one spectral line of a singlet state. In contrast, a doublet state contains one unpaired electron and shows splitting of spectral lines into a dou... AFAIK, a singlet addresses the particle state of a photon not its wave function. In Bohmian Mechanics particles do NOT have a dual state. They are always particles, being carried by a separate universal wave , the Pilot Wave , which provides the “guiding equation” for the particle. This is a big deal as it does away with the **paradox of the particle/wave duality,** but yields exactly the same results as the Copenhagen Interpretation, which makes it a legitimate candidate for scientific consideration. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/13 "2022-04-03T13:47:43Z")
**Infinite Potential** **DAVID BOHM** ’ **S CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE** ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/2/29be33c9a8d024535b7100d78f961c17cda2ec05.jpeg) **Hello to all our friends and supporters! We bring you some exciting news.** We want to offer you a Special Invitation to join us for a special screening of **INFINITE POTENTIAL** - **Director’s Cut - plus an All-NEW PANEL DISCUSSION focused on the release of this version of the film. This Panel Event/Discussion** features some very distinguished panelists from the world of Science and Spirituality who join our moderator **Trina Wyatt** of **Conscious Good TV** for a lively and fascinating discussion. **This will launch on Thursday 7th April 2022 and continue to Thursday April 14th.** **The Featured Panelists Are:** **Paul Howard -** Producer and Director of Infinite Potential. **Dr. Jan Walleczek** - Physicist - Phenoscience Laboratories, Berlin. **David Edmund Moody -** Author, Educator, and expert on Krishnamurti. **Swami Sarvapriyananda –** Resident Swami at the Vedanta Society of NYC. **Emily Adlam -** Author and Physicist. **Watch the Dates Launching on Thursday 7th April and concluding Thursday 14th April** ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/14 "2025-04-01T02:52:41Z")
> **[Opt-in Page - Infinite Potential](https://www.infinitepotential.com/opt-in-page/?affref=4848)** > > \[vc\_row type=”full\_width\_background” full\_screen\_row\_position=”middle” column\_margin=”none” column\_direction=”default” column\_direction\_tablet=”default” column\_direction\_phone=”default” bg\_image=”8751″ bg\_position=”center center”... No mention of cost but you have to give your email ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/15 "2025-04-04T17:59:28Z")
The “suggested minimum” is the minimum required for the film. $20. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/16 "2025-04-06T23:27:09Z")
Sorry somewhere in constant chaos of distractions that is my life, I must have hit post - when I was no where ready to post this comment. I’ll be back ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/17 "2025-04-07T02:14:38Z")
I have one objection to the beginning . The narrator paints a picture of Bohm’s concept of a Universe that is full, and reality is like little “bubbles”. I believe that is a poor analogy. I would have liked to see that the Universe is full but chaotic and that reality is the patterns that spontaneously self-organize and evovle from the chaos. This is already conceptually explained in Chaos Theory and acknowledged by mainstream science. Therefore the invocation of the term “bubbles” is confusing and actually misleading because reality is not organizedemptiness but fullness, organized into various levels of patterned complexity and physical density. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/18 "2025-04-07T02:19:55Z")
I would like something that relates to the physical realm that actually created our bodies and the physical realm we exist within - that being the biological realm & this Earth that created us. How do people justify assuming **the mathematics of physics at the absolute tiniest of scales** is translatable to our human thinking, which occurs within the biological realm, and is created by our living creature bodies. Brian Greene has most wonderful metaphor that underscores the vast gap between Bohm’s world of Infinite Potential / the Planck scale, and the reality we exist within: > **A tree is to the Observable Universe, as the Planck scale is to an Atom.** [Arvin Ash does a deeper dive into the Planck scale](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjVfL8uNkUk). ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/19 "2025-04-07T02:29:10Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > How do people justify assuming **the mathematics of physics at the absolute tiniest of scales** is translatable to the human thinking, which occurs within the biological realm Mathematics describes the logical relationship between “values” at all levels. Example: String Theory depends on the mechanics of the wavefunction, from Planck scale to galaxies. Wavefunctions are expressed and measured mathematically. The universal logic of mathematics is demonstrated with algebra, where all values are symbolically represented by letters instead of quantified symbolic values (numbers), which are successfully used for practical purposes. When the universe permits correctly applied mathematical mechanics, the mathematics must becompatible with inherent universal logical mechanics. This is where Bohm’s “Implicate and Explicate Orders” is such a powerful argument. These fundamental Universal orders are mathematical in essence, regardless of any human symbolic descriptive representations. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394/20 "2025-04-07T03:04:19Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > I would like something that relates to the physical realm that actually created our bodies and the physical realm we exist within - that being the biological realm & this Earth that created us. Abiogenesis is a perfectly logical evolutionary mathematically self-organizing pattern formation from a chaotic dynamical precondition. The potential for life existed (was implicated) long before it became expressed in explicate reality. Life is an evolved extension of natural physical (mathematical) dynamics. There is no mystery. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/david-bohm-dalai-lama-conversation/7394.md?page=2)