# Christian nationalism today **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [February 21, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712 "2024-02-21T14:26:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/22 "2024-02-24T16:38:16Z")
I have seldom seen some one so cynically changing opinion about religion, while publicly leading a life so contrary to religion. And i would add, so publicly promoting values and polices so contrary to christian claimed values. If he is a believer he is a great hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/23 "2024-02-24T17:14:56Z")
Note that he also leads a life contrary to reason, science, and compassion. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/24 "2024-02-24T18:00:26Z")
A good point for him, nevertheless : When Covid epidemic, came he gave the money needed to create a vaccine. It does not erase the way he handled the disease and the epidemic, but it mitigates it ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/25 "2024-02-25T22:37:28Z")
Dominion is a human evil that wants to take over the U.S. government and force their brand of Xianity on everyone. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/26 "2024-02-26T02:03:41Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > I said Trump has nothing to do with religion because he is not religious. > > This is the key to the confusion. The sentence has a false causation. > Trump has nothing to do with religion **because** he is not religious. > While true trump is not religious, it is far from true that he has nothing to do with religion. That has been show time and again (e.g., holding up the bible). > > Trump will continue to destroy any wall between church and state so long as it gains him power. His SCOTUS picks are just one example. His pick of pence for VP, his pride in the claim that roe v wade reversal could not have happened without him, his pandering to evangelicals shown in the video - this is all trump having a great deal to do with religion. > > No, he isn’t religious, but he is fully aware that the republican party is home to the white christian nationalists and he will milk that for every vote he can get. Fair enough. Atheists are uncomfortable with any flimsy connection to Christianity in politics. Trump just makes it seem much worse than it really is. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 5:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/27 "2024-02-26T05:21:44Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Trump just makes it seem much worse than it really is. Okay so it’s the Christian Nationalists, he’s blocking for, that is much much worse than it has any right to be. _God actually talking to you, telling you what to do, the hubristic insanity, Lordie, lordie._ ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/28 "2024-02-26T13:49:20Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Fair enough. Atheists are uncomfortable with any flimsy connection to Christianity in politics. Keep in mind @thatoneguy that there are **many** christians who are also very angry with what christian nationalists are doing to their religion. And the connection is certainly not flimsy. Denominations are splitting in two with half going with the more liberal and compassionate side and the other half branching off into anti lgbtq, anti science branch. Check out this [LINK](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/29/1215806967/how-support-for-trump-is-causing-a-rift-in-the-evangelical-church) ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/29 "2024-02-26T14:45:37Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > Denominations are splitting Good points as always coffee. I quit the Methodists because I could see the way they argued about the gay issue exposed how religion is not designed to reflect on what’s true. It claims truth and punishes non-belief. Exactly what Trump and those like him do. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/30 "2024-02-26T22:27:26Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Atheists are uncomfortable with any flimsy connection to Christianity in politics. That is not quite accurate, IMO . Atheists have tolerated all kinds of infringement on the “separation of church and state”. Yet, it is the theists who complain about persecution. But it is true that atheists are _ **afraid** _ of any religion dictating policy and politics. In Muslim theocracies, apostasy is punishable with death. (Fatwah). AFAIK, there is not a single instance of an atheist killing a theist for being a believer. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/31 "2024-02-27T03:18:19Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Fair enough. Atheists are uncomfortable with any flimsy connection to Christianity in politics. > > Keep in mind @thatoneguy that there are **many** christians who are also very angry with what christian nationalists are doing to their religion. > > And the connection is certainly not flimsy. Denominations are splitting in two with half going with the more liberal and compassionate side and the other half branching off into anti lgbtq, anti science branch. Check out this [LINK](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/29/1215806967/how-support-for-trump-is-causing-a-rift-in-the-evangelical-church) Yes, Christian Nationalists are a minority on the religious landscape, which counts for a lot in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 6:16am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/32 "2024-02-27T06:16:04Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Christian Nationalists are a minority on the religious landscape, The minority that consists of “religious warriors”, who don’t mind killing in the name of God.. Read the story of Hypatia. ![Home Page](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/5/5/55fb535a6c8ac764fb709a2c655159398f430d5c.gif) > **[Hypatia](https://www.womanastronomer.com/hypatia.htm)** ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/33 "2024-02-27T13:18:33Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Yes, Christian Nationalists are a minority on the religious landscape, which counts for a lot in this discussion. It counts for much more than this discussion. January 6 was driven in large part by christian nationalists. And this minority is a very large minority. It’s not like 2%. A Pew research poll puts it at 45%. This is the largest threat to democracy we are facing. See [HERE](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/10/27/45-of-americans-say-u-s-should-be-a-christian-nation/) ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/34 "2024-02-27T14:20:32Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > And this minority is a very large minority. It’s not like 2%. A Pew research poll puts it at 45%. This is the largest threat to democracy we are facing. See [HERE](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/10/27/45-of-americans-say-u-s-should-be-a-christian-nation/) > OCTOBER 27, 2022 > > # 45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a ‘Christian Nation’ > > ## But they hold differing opinions about what that phrase means, and two-thirds of U.S. adults say churches should keep out of politics > > BY [GREGORY A. SMITH](https://www.pewresearch.org/staff/gregory-a-smith), [MICHAEL ROTOLO](https://www.pewresearch.org/staff/michael-rotolo) AND [PATRICIA TEVINGTON](https://www.pewresearch.org/staff/patricia-tevington) > > Growing numbers of religious and political leaders are [embracing the “Christian nationalist” label](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/christian-nationalist-identity-marjorie-taylor-greene.html), and some dispute the idea that the country’s founders wanted a [separation of church and state](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/28/lauren-boebert-church-state-colorado/). On the other side of the debate, however, many Americans – including the [leaders of many Christian churches](https://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/common-witness-ncc/the-dangers-of-christian-nationalism-in-the-united-states-a-policy-statement-of-the-national-council-of-churches/) – have pushed back against Christian nationalism, [calling it a “danger” to the country.](https://baptistnews.com/article/christian-nationalism-is-a-danger-to-our-nation/#.YzRaKHbMK70) > > Most U.S. adults believe America’s founders intended the country to be a Christian nation, and many say they think it should be a Christian nation today, according to a new Pew Research Center survey designed to explore Americans’ views on the topic. But the survey also finds widely differing opinions about what it means to be a “Christian nation” and to support “Christian nationalism.” … I was curious. Seemed worth sharing. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/35 "2024-02-27T14:21:02Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > And this minority is a very large minority. The word “minority” gets thrown around without much context. 70% of people want sensible gun laws, but we don’t have them. Recent elections have had “record turnouts”, meaning we are finally cracking 50%. I’m not sure how scientific these numbers are, but I hear a small group of people can affect major change. [The ‘3.5% rule’: How a small minority can change the world (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world) So, what does oneguy mean by minority? Where does he get his data? Who knows? Self-identification in this case is important. If you are willing to tell a pollster that you think this nation should be run by Christians with Christian values, you probably live like that’s true. If you look at the history of polls, 100 years ago, questions about atheists or gays weren’t even asked. Ideas about “blood” were written into law, like how “Indian” you are or how “African” or should you even take a transfusion from a different “race”. Marrying outside of your religion was a scandal. So, here’s some numbers [Poll: A third of Americans are Christian nationalists and most are white evangelicals (religionnews.com)](https://religionnews.com/2023/02/08/a-third-of-americans-are-christian-nationalists-and-most-are-white-evangelicals/) ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/36 "2024-02-27T15:21:37Z")
WRT the last linked poll. It’s always a red flag when “white” shows up in a label. Racism is certainly a part of this christian nationalism. Also, the poll mentions how our two-party system forces greater significance on a “minority”. That’s certainly an unintended consequence. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/37 "2024-02-28T02:51:23Z")
CitizensChallenge already pointed this out but Christian Nationalism and those who believe America is inherently Christian are not necessarily the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/38 "2024-02-28T13:03:38Z")
That’s true. Who said they were? The CC post also points out that 2/3 of Americans think churches should stay out of politics, yet there are churches that tell people how to vote. [Here](https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-admits-broke-law-telling-church-vote-republican-1873938) [Here](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/30/johnson-amendment-elections-irs/) [Here](https://rcspirituality.org/ask_a_priest/ask-priest-church-tell-vote/) So even those who might not be christian nationalists (but christian) are being influenced illegally. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/39 "2024-02-28T13:19:34Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > That’s true. Who said they were? The CC post also points out that 2/3 of Americans think churches should stay out of politics, yet there are churches that tell people how to vote. > > [Here](https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-admits-broke-law-telling-church-vote-republican-1873938) Freedom of opinions !!! Churches may choose their candidates, even in France, a very secularist countries. It is up to the voter to choose. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/40 "2024-02-28T14:28:15Z")
In the US, there is supposed to be a wall between church and state. Since even the billion dollar mega churches don’t pay taxes, we have laws. [The Laws](https://www.churchlawcenter.com/church-law/political-activities-by-churches-whats-permitted-and-whats-prohibited/) ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712/41 "2024-02-29T03:16:18Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > That’s true. Who said they were? The CC post also points out that 2/3 of Americans think churches should stay out of politics, yet there are churches that tell people how to vote. > > [Here](https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-admits-broke-law-telling-church-vote-republican-1873938) > > [Here](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/30/johnson-amendment-elections-irs/) > > [Here](https://rcspirituality.org/ask_a_priest/ask-priest-church-tell-vote/) > > So even those who might not be christian nationalists (but christian) are being influenced illegally. Too bad it’s not illegal to be influenced by religion. [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/christian-nationalism-today/10712.md?page=3)