# Caleb **URL:** \ **Category:** Religion and Secularism\ **Created:** [May 8, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915 "2021-05-08T08:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:38am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/41 "2021-05-09T07:38:03Z")
Like I said, I’ll describe Purgatory in a future blog entry and we can discuss it then. I don’t want to give too much away right now. ? I take the “have your cake and eat it too” to mean physically you can’t hold the cake in your hands and also consume it. It’s one or the other. And that’s how the law works. It’s an all-or-nothing principle. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/42 "2021-05-09T07:45:39Z")
Why would you worship a God that willing to torture me? ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/43 "2021-05-09T07:48:33Z")
“Purgatory is the place where the soul is cleansed of all impurities, as Dante described in his great poem The Divine Comedy. Today purgatory can refer to any place or situation in which suffering and misery are felt to be sharp but **temporary**. Waiting to hear the results of a test, or whether you got a good job, can be a purgatory. And an endless after-dinner speech can make an entire roomful of people feel as if they’re in purgatory.” [(Source)](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purgatory)   It’s temporary torture, but a necessary “evil” to purge one’s soul of sin. And you’re right. It’s your choice to sin, but doing so prevents you from entering Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:06am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/44 "2021-05-09T08:06:35Z")
Youre begging the question ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/45 "2021-05-09T08:07:21Z")
What question? ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/46 "2021-05-09T08:15:53Z")
You havent demonstrated that all mighty being even exists before you can talk about Purgatory ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/47 "2021-05-09T08:19:45Z")
I’ll be doing an entire “season” on God but that’s happening in 8 months from now. I’m still researching. ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/48 "2021-05-09T08:21:09Z")
What made you become an athiest, if you don’t mind me asking? ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/49 "2021-05-09T08:21:22Z")
Can i answer by asking you how you define atheism? ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/50 "2021-05-09T08:23:20Z")
I got the answer 10 years ago actually, but there’s a proper time and place for it, and now isn’t that time. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:24am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/51 "2021-05-09T08:24:37Z")
What is atheism? ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:25am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/52 "2021-05-09T08:25:52Z")
[Atheism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#:~:text=Atheism%2C%20in%20the%20broadest%20sense,that%20there%20are%20no%20deities.) ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/53 "2021-05-09T08:29:54Z")
Absence of a belief in God. So whats the problem? ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:31am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/54 "2021-05-09T08:31:31Z")
If you don’t believe in God, why would he believe in you? ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:34am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/55 "2021-05-09T08:34:11Z")
I exist. No good reason to believe a God exists ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/56 "2021-05-09T08:35:58Z")
You exist today physically, yes, but you’re asking about Purgatory. You won’t exist **physically** at that time. ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/57 "2021-05-09T09:48:42Z")
So, a lack of physical presence in your life is the primary reason why you’re an athiest? Is there any other reason? ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 10:36am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/58 "2021-05-09T10:36:25Z")
> If you don’t believe in God, why would he believe in you? And you would know the difference? Please explain, I'm interested. ---
**Author:** ![yonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/yonkey/32/2021_2.png) [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/59 "2021-05-09T10:42:42Z")
It depends on how you define “belief”. To me, it means acceptance. And it’s pretty easy to tell when one is being accepted and when they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/60 "2021-05-09T12:32:02Z")
“You exist today physically, yes, but you’re asking about Purgatory. You won’t exist physically at that time.” Debating Purgatory is a waste of time until firstly you have shown good reason for your Gods existence [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915.md?page=4)