# Caleb
**URL:** https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915
**Category:** Religion and Secularism
**Created:** [May 8, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915 "2021-05-08T08:23:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/1 "2021-05-08T08:23:17Z")
Hello,
I have some thoughts on faith/religion/God on my blog in the [Caleb](https://yonkeysworld.wordpress.com/category/caleb/) entries. Please read and discuss your thoughts here! ?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/2 "2021-05-08T15:04:04Z")
This entry is what I’d like feedback on specifically. [“Caleb: Faith”:](https://yonkeysworld.wordpress.com/2020/07/31/caleb-faith/)
_I understand how hard it is to have faith in a God you can’t physically see. Many people question whether or not he exists, and if so, for what purpose? There was a time in my past where I asked myself these very same questions. There were many more, but essentially it all boiled down to a single one — why me?_
_Why was I created the way I am, and others created the way they were? After all, we all have unique gifts and abilities. But at the time, I could only focus on my weaknesses and failures. I couldn’t understand why God would want such an imperfect creature._
_In time, I learned that no one and no thing in this universe is perfect, including God himself. We were created with his likeness, but none of us have the same power as him. In that sense, he too is unique and alone._
_Then it hit me — I am here because he wanted me to be here. He wanted my talents in order to serve others and myself. He wanted me to physically exist in this same universe with you, because he cannot._
_He wanted us to be separated from him for a reason — a reason which I cannot answer. However, being separated does not have to mean being alone._
_We are designed to form relationships and bonds with each other. We’re meant to experience hardships and struggles in order to properly appreciate wellness and happiness._
_We function as a team, even as an archangel, we all have roles to play and live up to once we’re ready. My role is to help you to see the light and to guide you towards it._
_Someday you’ll physically join it and be united with God. But until then, remember that I’m always listening and here to help._
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/3 "2021-05-08T17:03:51Z")
Your God is not perfect and he cannot enter this Universe?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/4 "2021-05-08T17:46:21Z")
Correct. If he were perfect, he wouldn’t create such flawed creatures. And if he were physical, we’d be able to see/hear him.
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/5 "2021-05-08T19:03:11Z")
Inperfect in what sense? Morally? And what is beyond the universe if such exists?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/6 "2021-05-08T19:14:56Z")
I was thinking imperfect in every way imaginable. Nothing is perfect in our universe.
I have no idea what lies beyond our universe. I only assume God resides there, in some other dimension than the physical one we’re in.
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/7 "2021-05-08T20:03:04Z")
My understanding on what you just said is God is not the ultimate authority on morality.
Assuming wouldnt not be a very helpful tool in a truth discovery exercise.
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/8 "2021-05-08T20:06:50Z")
> My understanding on what you just said is God is not the ultimate authority on morality.
How did you come to that conclusion? I believe he is the topmost authority, but just like judges on Earth, he's not perfect and is fully capable of making mistakes.
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/9 "2021-05-08T20:16:42Z")
What mistakes has he made in the morality department?
And why do you assume things when making truth claims?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/10 "2021-05-08T20:29:02Z")
Ok I won’t assume, I’ll redirect:
Is it considered “immoral” to be an atheist?
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/11 "2021-05-08T21:25:43Z")
Thiests would say yes. But asking me - no.
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/12 "2021-05-08T21:30:10Z")
Interesting. So you think rejecting the highest authority on morality, isn’t immoral?
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/13 "2021-05-08T21:52:19Z")
You said your God could be wrong.
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/14 "2021-05-08T21:53:31Z")
Lol, good point! ?
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/15 "2021-05-08T21:58:55Z")
So how do you know when God is morally right and when wrong?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/16 "2021-05-08T22:05:20Z")
Well, my morals are defined by society’s modern-day laws and ethical practices. I don’t know how God defines morality or whether it coincides with my definition or not.
I assume it does… but you don’t like assumptions so… ?
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/17 "2021-05-08T22:19:10Z")
So what do you when your morals clashes with Gods?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/18 "2021-05-08T22:20:18Z")
Advocate on behalf of myself. Same thing I’ve been doing all my life.
This is all hypothetical, of course. You do realize I haven’t actually met God yet, right? ?
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### Author:  [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/19 "2021-05-08T22:22:52Z")
You go against your Supreme being?
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### Author:  [@yonkey](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yonkey)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/caleb/7915/20 "2021-05-08T22:24:43Z")
Self-defense isn’t necessarily going against someone. It’s more about standing up for yourself.
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