# Behind every great man there’s a great woman **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [August 24, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070 "2024-08-24T17:14:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/1 "2024-08-24T17:14:25Z")
Some have suggested only “men” are capable of providing good governance and such tripe. It’s been eating at me but I haven’t had time to write about it. Still don’t, but can take a quick break from pulling driveway weeds, and share a thought, that found its way through my quiet weed pulling mind. But then again, it would just be my opinion, what do I know, _besides the important of women in my own life._ So I’ll hand it over to people who have studied this and know what they are talking about: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/e/d/ed5eec11c4d536061d392c08f647d691278e9da4.jpeg) [https://www.arabianbusiness.com/industries/industries-culture-society/418119-the-invisible-women-behind-every-great-man-theres-great-woman](https://www.arabianbusiness.com/industries/industries-culture-society/418119-the-invisible-women-behind-every-great-man-theres-great-woman) > **[Behind Every Great Man: The Forgotten Women Behind the World's Famous and...](https://marlenewagmangeller.com/product/behind-every-great-man-the-forgotten-women-behind-the-worlds-famous-and-infamous)** > > Behind Every Great Man: The Forgotten Women Behind the World's Famous and Infamous > **[Not just a wife: celebrating the women behind famous men - The DePaulia](https://depauliaonline.com/46963/artslife/not-just-a-wife-celebrating-the-women-behind-famous-men/)** > > I’m tired of the expression, “Behind every great man there is a woman.” We’ve heard all of the cliches before, “behind every great man there’s a woman rolling her eyes,” or “behind every great man there is a woman keeping him in line.” We’ve seen all... > **[Political Wives Who Overshadowed Their Husbands](https://www.ranker.com/list/political-wives-who-overshadow-their-husbands/joanne)** > > Women who have overshadowed their politician husbands include some of the greatest women in political history as well as some of the most influential people in US history. These politically savvy females rank as some of the best known women in US... > **[50 Women Who Made American Political History](https://time.com/4551817/50-women-political-history-2/)** > > As Americans mark Women's History Month, we take a look back [https://cawp.rutgers.edu/facts/milestones-women-american-politics](https://cawp.rutgers.edu/facts/milestones-women-american-politics) ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/2 "2024-08-24T21:40:37Z")
A group of tourists visited a Crocodile Farm and was on a floating structure in the middle of a pool with many huge crocodiles. The owner of the Crocodile Farm threw a challenge to his guests: “Whoever dares to jump in, swim to the edge and survive, will be awarded with five hundred thousand dollars”.The silence was deafening… “No one dares to move.” Suddenly, a man jumped into the pool… he was chased by the crocodiles… but with luck, he eventually made it out of the pool, to the admiration of the other guests. The owner of the Crocodile Farm announced… “We have a brave winner” After collecting his reward and all was over, the couple went back to their hotel room. The “brave man” asked his wife… “I did not jump in… SOMEONE PUSHED ME ???” His wife smiled and coolly said, ” it’s me” So now you know.”Behind every successful man, is a woman that pushes him”. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/3 "2024-08-26T01:20:35Z")
Whoever compiled these lists seems to have a low bar on “making history”. The only one who is really memorable is Queen Victoria. Monarchies are a different story than democracies, because in a monarchy women can become an inspirational figurehead of a people in a way that’s not really accepted in liberal democracies. It is usually true that there’s a great woman behind great men. Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. They are the glue that holds groups together. However, none of that makes them good leaders. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/4 "2024-08-26T01:27:54Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It is usually true that there’s a great woman behind great men. Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. They are the glue that holds groups together. However, none of that makes them good leaders. Do you know who do the hunting in the world of the King of Beasts, the lion? The females. You are seriously mistaken. A country is but a large extended family where most of the men are engaged in making a living (or war) and most of the women do the housekeeping. IOW it is women who are adept at keeping things in the house clean and orderly . They instinctively “know” how to run a household or office, of any size. 3, 30, 300, 300 million. It’s all the same. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/5 "2024-08-26T04:32:33Z")
That is SO SEXIST! [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/1/8/18795a012da9748e1c045b14ab24ebe4722500a6.jpeg "sexist egotistical lying hypocritical bigot") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37RQ5avziZE) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/6 "2024-08-27T00:41:42Z")
I have a strategy that Kamala Harris should employ at the debate, the moment it begins. She should stand in front of the nation and swear on the bible to ; “tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”. Then challenge Trump to do the same… I am willing to lay a bet he’d walk off the stage. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/7 "2024-08-27T02:44:30Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > It is usually true that there’s a great woman behind great men. Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. They are the glue that holds groups together. However, none of that makes them good leaders. > > Do you know who do the hunting in the world of the King of Beasts, the lion? The females. > > You are seriously mistaken. A country is but a large extended family where most of the men are engaged in making a living (or war) and most of the women do the housekeeping. > > IOW it is women who are adept at keeping things in the house clean and orderly . They instinctively “know” how to run a household or office, of any size. 3, 30, 300, 300 million. It’s all the same. Humans in general are not good at managing huge numbers of people. We still have that hunter-gatherer side of us where we function better in small groups where everybody knows each other. That’s why governments have become so complex. On that note, leadership and management are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/8 "2024-08-27T02:58:21Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > On that note, leadership and management are two different things. Proper management is leadership. Watch Kamala Harris. A prosecutor is a leader of the highest order in management of the Law. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 7:32am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/9 "2024-08-27T07:32:01Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Humans in general are not good at managing huge numbers of people. We still have that hunter-gatherer side of us where we function better in small groups where everybody knows each other. That’s why governments have become so complex. Yes and no. Yes we function in small groups. But we can make these groups function together in a coordinate way. And, on earth, except insects, humans are the only one. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 8:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/10 "2024-08-27T08:26:09Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > And, on earth, except insects, humans are the only one. And fish; ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/a/2/a2001e52278b99f8b55281a8be5b8e5deafa6a97.jpeg) > **[How Do Fish Schools Work? - JSTOR Daily](https://daily.jstor.org/how-do-fish-schools-work/)** > > Fish schools turn, contract, expand, even part and come back together all without missing a beat. Yet fish are individuals, not a hive mind. And birds; ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/2/a/2a3c2762a8563eaa0fd5c452f78c3194e4dee1bb.jpeg) [https://www.krqe.com/news/national/why-do-flocks-of-birds-swoop-and-swirl-together-in-the-sky-a-biologist-explains-the-science-of-murmurations/](https://www.krqe.com/news/national/why-do-flocks-of-birds-swoop-and-swirl-together-in-the-sky-a-biologist-explains-the-science-of-murmurations/) ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/11 "2024-08-27T13:21:37Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. Some people just can’t help themselves. > **[Historic Heroines: Ancient Warriors (All BC-400AD) – Toledo Lucas County...](https://www.toledolibrary.org/blog/historic-heroines-ancient-warriors/)** > > An almost perfect smattering of our favorite women ancient times who just happened to wield weapons, lead armies and build empires. > **[Female Warriors Who Led African Empires and Armies | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/articles/african-female-warriors)** > > From Queen Amanirenas to the Dahomey Amazons, women battled colonialists to maintain their power and prevent enslavement. > **[Warrior women: despite what gamers might believe, the ancient world was full...](https://theconversation.com/warrior-women-despite-what-gamers-might-believe-the-ancient-world-was-full-of-female-fighters-104343)** > > Anything is possible in the world of computers games – except women who fight, apparently. Of course the clowns that could learn the most from this are the one’s who’ll steadfastly ignore examining anything they don’t like. > **[WOMEN'S INTELLECTUAL CONTRIBUTIONS](http://faculty.webster.edu/woolflm/women.html)** > > Women's intellectual contributions to the study of psychology, anthropology, sociology, and social work > **[Girl Power: 5 Powerful Women in History](https://www.pbs.org/education/blogs/pbs-in-the-classroom/girl-power-5-powerful-women-in-history/)** > > Learn about five powerful women in history. > **[Women in Neuroscience: In History and Today | KentConnects Blog Post](https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/women-in-neuroscience-in-history-and-today/)** > > Read our KentConnects blog post to learn more about Women in Neuroscience: In History and Today ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 2:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/12 "2024-08-27T14:15:50Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > Yes we function in small groups. But we can make these groups function together in a coordinate way. > > And, on earth, except insects, humans are the only one. I don’t mean this as an insult, simply an example of what it looks like when you remain confined within your mindscape (read human “Ego”). Have you thought about microorganisms and how they created the most unique geology and minerals to be found in the universe? Why don’t they count? Plus like Write points out, lots of animals living from various kingdoms do in coordinated groups. Of course, none in the style, or the level of self-aware intellect that humans possess, but very effective nonetheless. But that’s a different matter. It’s all so much more complicated and interwoven, than any of our traditional conceptions can embrace. Here’s a brand new book, I’m only towards the end of chapter two, but it starts out excellent, and I believe it’ll continue being an excellent distillation of modern biological and evolutionary findings - and how they demand that we reexamine our simplistic assumptions. > ## “Becoming Earth” > > [by Ferris Jabr](https://x.com/ferrisjabr?lang=en) > **ISBN:** 9780593133972 > **[Becoming Earth by Ferris Jabr review – our planet: a living, breathing,...](https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/aug/25/becoming-earth-how-our-planet-came-to-life-by-ferris-jabr-review-living-breathing-miracle-of-the-world-around-us)** > > The US-based journalist has fashioned a wide-ranging and thought-provoking study of how everything from microbes to mammoths transformed our world into a living organism > **[Ferris Jabr — Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life with Ross Andersen...](https://politics-prose.com/event/2024-07-19/ferris-jabr-becoming-earth-how-our-planet-came-life-ross-andersen-wharf?srsltid=AfmBOoqsJFXKegWZwb64pqD03qMynv2nMI8xyYb4u9IYbEw14rH93Rc9)** _no offense intended ✌_ ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/13 "2024-08-27T15:02:14Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > And, on earth, except insects, humans are the only one. I must refer you to this Ted Talk by Bonnie Bassler. She will educate you how bacteria communicate with each other so that they can act “in concert”. Their language is called “quorum sensing”. This is a “must know” lecture. Your life depends on it. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/c/c46e3453d9a43dfcc02da5c5b887342295344a0d.jpeg "How bacteria "talk" - Bonnie Bassler") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXWurAmtf78) ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/14 "2024-08-28T03:14:11Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. > > Some people just can’t help themselves. > > [Historic Heroines: Ancient Warriors (All BC-400AD) – Toledo Lucas County Public Library – TLCPL](https://www.toledolibrary.org/blog/historic-heroines-ancient-warriors) > > [Female Warriors Who Led African Empires and Armies | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/news/african-female-warriors) > > [Warrior women: despite what gamers might believe, the ancient world was full of female fighters](https://theconversation.com/warrior-women-despite-what-gamers-might-believe-the-ancient-world-was-full-of-female-fighters-104343) > > Of course the clowns that could learn the most from this are the one’s who’ll steadfastly ignore examining anything they don’t like. > > [WOMEN'S INTELLECTUAL CONTRIBUTIONS](http://faculty.webster.edu/woolflm/women.html) > > [Girl Power: 5 Powerful Women in History](https://www.pbs.org/education/blog/girl-power-5-powerful-women-in-history) > > [Women in Neuroscience: In History and Today | KentConnects Blog Post](https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/women-in-neuroscience-in-history-and-today/) So what? They’re few and far between. By that logic you could say English people are great at music because The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones were English. Outliers don’t define the whole group. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 3:32am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/15 "2024-08-28T03:32:15Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Humans in general are not good at managing huge numbers of people. We still have that hunter-gatherer side of us where we function better in small groups where everybody knows each other. That’s why governments have become so complex. > > Yes and no. > > Yes we function in small groups. But we can make these groups function together in a coordinate way. > > And, on earth, except insects, humans are the only one. We can with a hell of a lot of blood, sweat and tears. > [@write4u](#): > > Proper management is leadership. Watch Kamala Harris. > > A prosecutor is a leader of the highest order in management of the Law. In this country judges are the top managers of the legal system. But that’s mostly irrelevant anyway because most politicians are lawyers and that doesn’t automatically make one good at politics. Leadership isn’t even something lawyers have to worry about. However, good management is necessary for a law firm to be successful. There’s plenty of other examples of how leadership and management aren’t the same. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/16 "2024-08-28T05:25:59Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Leadership isn’t even something lawyers have to worry about. However, good management is necessary for a law firm to be successful. There’s plenty of other examples of how leadership and management aren’t the same. By all accounts Harris was an excellent manager of law in the 5th largest economy on earth and the crime that comes along with that. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 12:08pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/17 "2024-08-28T12:08:49Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > There’s plenty of other examples of how leadership and management aren’t the same. Women have great leadership skills. Especially, if they are good mothers and there are a lot of good mothers in this world. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/18 "2024-08-28T18:42:46Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. They are the glue that holds groups together. This guy gets the troll gold medal. He has cultivated a persona here that makes it plausible that he believes this. I completely disgaree with this on every level, but can’t fault how he presents it. It’s at once insane and fitting with some reality of opinion somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/19 "2024-08-28T19:51:43Z")
He is really defining a type of leadership., but exclusively applying it to one aspect of an “organization”. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070/20 "2024-08-29T03:08:32Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > By all accounts Harris was an excellent manager of law in the 5th largest economy on earth and the crime that comes along with that. Opinions of her as California AG seem mixed. California is in bad shape, though – which is not entirely her fault. Still, if you want to use her time as senior law enforcement official in CA as proof of how good she would be as president, then she leaves a lot to be desired. > [@mriana](#): > > Women have great leadership skills. Especially, if they are good mothers and there are a lot of good mothers in this world. You do have a point there. Women are good at leading small children. > [@lausten](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Women are really good at helping out and just doing practical, necessary things like keeping a household in order. They are the glue that holds groups together. > > This guy gets the troll gold medal. He has cultivated a persona here that makes it plausible that he believes this. I completely disgaree with this on every level, but can’t fault how he presents it. It’s at once insane and fitting with some reality of opinion somewhere. It’s bizarre that you think I couldn’t really believe this. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/behind-every-great-man-there-s-a-great-woman/11070.md?page=2)