# Amensty international - ukraine military using human shields **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758 "2022-08-07T21:40:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 22
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/22 "2022-08-09T08:35:09Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > You are missing the history of the conflict. For starters, the US spent billions to engineer regime change in Ukraine which occurred in 2014. Since then the US has been ‘grooming’ fascist forces with training and weapons. The puppet regime in Ukraine adopted anti-Russian policies and against Ukrainians who spoke Russian and did not recognize a regime imposed by the US. These regions wanted autonomy which was denied them and an internal war ensued in which over 14000 people were killed in the Donbass. Then the puppet regime was instructed by its sponsors to interfere with Russian gas sent to Europe via a pipeline traversing its territory. The last straw was Ukraine asking to be a NATO member where American troops and weapons are within minutes from Moscow. This was unacceptable to Russia as it was intolerable for the US to see Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba in 1962. > > Given this brief history, the conflict in Ukraine is NATO versus Russia using Ukraine as a proxy. Thus ‘raging war against Russia in Ukraine’ is accurate. NATO weapons, money, intelligence and special forces are running the war against Russia. It is Russia that is defending itself from NATO encroachment on its borders. All Russia wanted for Ukraine is to remain neutral, not join an anti-Russia military alliance. It had no quarrel with Ukraine since 1991 until the US (and Germany) toppled the government and installed its client regime to provoke Russia. > [@Russian invasion to open a new chapter' in NATO history](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/russian-invasion-to-open-a-new-chapter-in-nato-history/9449/109): > > It’s only unacceptable because Putin does not like democracy. We cannot bow and coo to Putin and he should not be able to control any country except his own- Russia and only Russia. Not Ukraine, Georgia, Hungry, or any other country. He cannot be allowed to bully any other country either. To give into him is giving into a bully. He must have the sanctions. Putin is the problem, not NATO. @lausten ROFL. Oh so true. Just some points: 1. USA did not engineered the Maidan Revolution but welcomed it. The Maidan revolution was provoked by Putin. In fact a democratically elected government wanted to pass agreements with west. Putin threatened and the government switched to an agreement with Russia. People revolted. 1. Zelenski and his government have made mistakes, but they are not fascists, except in Putin propaganda. I just will give an exemple : European medias can work freely in Ukraine, not in Russia. 1. When a referendum was held for Ukrainian independence, Russian speaking region voted pro independence. The only part of µUkraine which was unhappy of belonging to Ukraine was Crimea. 1. Putin knew that Nato was not ready to integrate Ukraine. 2. If Putin had wanted negotiate, he would have taken the east of Ukraine, not tried to take whole Ukraine and destroy the country. 3. Putin is ta dictator, even if not turning as a fascist, installing a dictatorship, killing freedom of press, imposing a set of values, killing opponents, and so. --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758)._