# Amensty international - ukraine military using human shields **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758 "2022-08-07T21:40:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![michaelcrawford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/michaelcrawford/32/18_2.png) [@michaelcrawford](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/michaelcrawford)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 5:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/21 "2022-08-09T05:19:35Z")
Lock step with lindsey on Russia ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/22 "2022-08-09T08:35:09Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > You are missing the history of the conflict. For starters, the US spent billions to engineer regime change in Ukraine which occurred in 2014. Since then the US has been ‘grooming’ fascist forces with training and weapons. The puppet regime in Ukraine adopted anti-Russian policies and against Ukrainians who spoke Russian and did not recognize a regime imposed by the US. These regions wanted autonomy which was denied them and an internal war ensued in which over 14000 people were killed in the Donbass. Then the puppet regime was instructed by its sponsors to interfere with Russian gas sent to Europe via a pipeline traversing its territory. The last straw was Ukraine asking to be a NATO member where American troops and weapons are within minutes from Moscow. This was unacceptable to Russia as it was intolerable for the US to see Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba in 1962. > > Given this brief history, the conflict in Ukraine is NATO versus Russia using Ukraine as a proxy. Thus ‘raging war against Russia in Ukraine’ is accurate. NATO weapons, money, intelligence and special forces are running the war against Russia. It is Russia that is defending itself from NATO encroachment on its borders. All Russia wanted for Ukraine is to remain neutral, not join an anti-Russia military alliance. It had no quarrel with Ukraine since 1991 until the US (and Germany) toppled the government and installed its client regime to provoke Russia. > [@Russian invasion to open a new chapter' in NATO history](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/russian-invasion-to-open-a-new-chapter-in-nato-history/9449/109): > > It’s only unacceptable because Putin does not like democracy. We cannot bow and coo to Putin and he should not be able to control any country except his own- Russia and only Russia. Not Ukraine, Georgia, Hungry, or any other country. He cannot be allowed to bully any other country either. To give into him is giving into a bully. He must have the sanctions. Putin is the problem, not NATO. @lausten ROFL. Oh so true. Just some points: 1. USA did not engineered the Maidan Revolution but welcomed it. The Maidan revolution was provoked by Putin. In fact a democratically elected government wanted to pass agreements with west. Putin threatened and the government switched to an agreement with Russia. People revolted. 1. Zelenski and his government have made mistakes, but they are not fascists, except in Putin propaganda. I just will give an exemple : European medias can work freely in Ukraine, not in Russia. 1. When a referendum was held for Ukrainian independence, Russian speaking region voted pro independence. The only part of µUkraine which was unhappy of belonging to Ukraine was Crimea. 1. Putin knew that Nato was not ready to integrate Ukraine. 2. If Putin had wanted negotiate, he would have taken the east of Ukraine, not tried to take whole Ukraine and destroy the country. 3. Putin is ta dictator, even if not turning as a fascist, installing a dictatorship, killing freedom of press, imposing a set of values, killing opponents, and so. ---
**Author:** ![michaelcrawford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/michaelcrawford/32/18_2.png) [@michaelcrawford](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/michaelcrawford)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/23 "2022-08-09T09:04:30Z")
You cant ignore the fact that the USA is using Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia just as they plan to use taiwan to try get china to respond so that usa can have a excuse for war The mantra that this is all about democracy and human rights is just that- an empty slogan with proof in the pudding, the180 degree in US policy with what is happening to the people of palestine and yemen ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/24 "2022-08-09T10:36:31Z")
Yes, USA are using Ukraine in a proxy war against Russia, but Putin allowed it, caused it, when he attacked Ukraine. Putin is the responsible. No, USA don’t plan to use Taïwan in a proxy war against China. They plan to defend Taïwan if it is attacked by China. If China attacks Taïwan, china will have caused the war, not USA. China is a totalitarian state, with an imperialistic project. It is taking the military control of the China sea, even in territorial waters of other countries. Please, wake up. We are not in a world of candy bears but in a world of real politics, with three powers contending for supremacy, USA, China and Russia. there are other potential players as India or Brazil. In this world any available mean is used. Now, yes right of people to self government is a political tool. What was good for destroying Yugoslavia is not good for Crimea or Palestine. But, right now, USA respect a modicum of forms and rights. And they are not trying to expand. Why do you think that many Eastern Europe countries and Pacific countries want to enter in Nato ? Because, they don’t feel threatened by USA but by Russia and China. And democracy and human rights are not empty slogans, they are ideals, difficult to implement. If you look backward, since 1500, progresses have been made. I prefer to live in a imperfect democracy, rather than in a dictatorship or in a totalitarian state. If we were living in Russia or China, we could not have this free exchange. Think about it. ---
**Author:** ![michaelcrawford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/michaelcrawford/32/18_2.png) [@michaelcrawford](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/michaelcrawford)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/25 "2022-08-09T11:51:35Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > We are not in a world of candy bears but in a world of real politics, with three powers contending for supremacy, USA, China and Russia. there are other potential players as India or Brazil. There is a lot there to unpack. Tell me what threat does Russia and china pose to america? BRICS + ? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/26 "2022-08-09T12:55:16Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > the180 degree in US policy with what is happening to the people of palestine and yemen What is this about? How is this proof? ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/27 "2022-08-09T13:14:07Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > There is a lot there to unpack. Tell me what threat does Russia and china pose to america? BRICS + ? USA, Russia and China are competing for world domination. AS such, Russia and China threaten USA. And do you deny Chinese expansionism, in Pacific, in Africa ? ---
**Author:** ![michaelcrawford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/michaelcrawford/32/18_2.png) [@michaelcrawford](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/michaelcrawford)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 1:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/28 "2022-08-09T13:23:33Z")
I asked how is russia and china threatening the USA? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/29 "2022-08-09T13:50:06Z")
They have nukes. Russia is disrupting food and oil supplies. We do business with them, so cooperation is preferable in a global market. Isolation isn’t really possible. We aren’t the police of the world, but still should be concerned about all human rights. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/30 "2022-08-09T22:02:38Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > You cant ignore the fact that the USA is using Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia just as they plan to use taiwan to try get china to respond so that usa can have a excuse for war > The mantra that this is all about democracy and human rights is just that- an empty slogan with proof in the pudding, the180 degree in US policy with what is happening to the people of palestine and yemen You know what? Ukraine isn’t being used by us, even though Russia has for history been the U.S.'s enemy. It’s more like the Ukraine and the U.S. have a common enemy and we are helping them, but those who support and love Russia, want to see it differently even if it means twisting facts and listening to Russian propaganda. > [@morgankane01](#): > > Yes, USA are using Ukraine in a proxy war against Russia, but Putin allowed it, caused it, when he attacked Ukraine. Putin is the responsible. Like I said, the Ukraine and the U.S. have a common enemy. > [@morgankane01](#): > > No, USA don’t plan to use Taïwan in a proxy war against China. They plan to defend Taïwan if it is attacked by China. Again, a common enemy. It’s really the same thing. The U.S. is defending the Ukraine from Russian’s attacks. > [@morgankane01](#): > > If China attacks Taïwan, china will have caused the war, not USA. In this case, Russia caused the war, not the Ukraine or the U.S. I don’t understand why people listen to Russian propaganda, especially if they live in the U.S. Russians were never our allies. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/31 "2022-08-09T22:05:44Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > I asked how is russia and china threatening the USA? China does not threaten only states in Pacific, but India: [[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/25/china-is-building-a-bridge-on-a-disputed-himalayan-border-with-india.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/25/china-is-building-a-bridge-on-a-disputed-himalayan-border-with-india.html)] [[Sino-Indian border dispute - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute)] [[China in Africa | May 28th 2022 | The Economist](https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022-05-28?gclid=CjwKCAjwi8iXBhBeEiwAKbUofahhIgdYTnrBkE6Qu3EVRNjlpyDXrPQhjMz67Ln27KUJDY3Z_0BLexoCwpEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)] [[‘China’s Offensive in Europe;’ Is There a Master Plan in Beijing? | IRIS](https://www.iris-france.org/78081-chinas-offensive-in-europe-is-there-a-master-plan-in-beijing/)] And don’t try to change the subject by asking if china was not copying USa strategies, it does, but that does not makes her less threatening. May be a moderator would transfer theses exchanges to a new topic ? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/32 "2022-08-09T22:25:45Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > May be a moderator would transfer theses exchanges to a new topic ? For this topic, I don’t think it would valuable. It normally takes off with some “whataboutism” very quickly. It’s easy to make that case that powerful leaders everywhere are making war with each other, and it’s not all logical or just or consistent. ---
**Author:** ![michaelcrawford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/michaelcrawford/32/18_2.png) [@michaelcrawford](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/michaelcrawford)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/33 "2022-08-09T22:27:42Z")
That tells me nothing how russia and china are a threat to USA ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/34 "2022-08-09T23:18:46Z")
What would? Do they have to start launching missles? Do their cyber attacks count? Are alliances meaningful? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/35 "2022-08-09T23:31:24Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > That tells me nothing how Russia and china are a threat to USA I’m in no position to offer a serious opinion on that, but I know there is plenty of information out there for those who are actually serious about absorbing some of the information. Are you a serious guy, or just a game player? “how many ways does russia threaten america” [### The U.S. must do what it can to prevent Russian military from … https://news.stanford.edu › 2022/04/20 › u-s-must-can-… ](https://news.stanford.edu/2022/04/20/u-s-must-can-prevent-russian-military-crossing-nuclear-threshold/) Apr 20, 2022 — Here, Sagan discusses _Putin’s_ nuclear _threat_ – it _is_ estimated that _Russia’s_stockpile includes 4,477 nuclear warheads, according to a report … [### Yes, Russia Is a Threat to the United States https://www.heritage.org › europe › commentary › yes-… ](https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/yes-russia-threat-the-united-states) Apr 26, 2021 — _Russia’s_ purpose in interfering in _U.S._ elections _is_ not to change the outcome, but rather to sow division in _American_ society. [### Putin’s Threats Highlight the Dangers of a New, Riskier … https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics ](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/us/politics/nuclear-arms-treaties.html) Jun 1, 2022 — After generations of stability in nuclear arms control, a warning to _Russia_ from President Biden shows how old norms are eroding. [### New START Treaty - United States Department of State https://www.state.gov › new-start ](https://www.state.gov/new-start/) New START limits all _Russian_ deployed intercontinental-range nuclear weapons, including every _Russian_ nuclear warhead that _is_ loaded onto an intercontinental- … [### What Putin’s Nuclear Threats Mean for the U.S. - WSJ https://www.wsj.com › articles › what-putins-nuclear-th… ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-putins-nuclear-threats-mean-for-the-u-s-11646329125) Mar 3, 2022 — On the eve of _Russia’s_ invasion of Ukraine, Vladimir _Putin_ issued a nuclear warning. He admonished that “anyone who tries to interfere with _us_… [### Russia is Top Military Threat to U.S. Homeland, Air Force … https://news.usni.org › Aviation ](https://news.usni.org/2021/08/18/russia-is-top-military-threat-to-u-s-homeland-air-force-general-says) Aug 18, 2021 — _Russia_, with its array of hard-to-detect cruise missiles and advanced submarines, poses the primary military _threat_ to the _American_ homeland … [### Russia’s Nuclear Threats Recast Cold War Dangers https://www.wilsoncenter.org › article › russias-nuclear-… ](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/russias-nuclear-threats-recast-cold-war-dangers-delicate-balance-terror-revisited) May 3, 2022 — Throughout the nuclear age, the _U.S._ strategy of deterrence has … As _Putin_warns that _any_ Western interference in Ukraine _will_ be met with … [### US Spy Chief Warns of Russia’s Nuclear Threats, 'Potential … https://www.voanews.com › us-spy-chief-warns-of-russi… ](https://www.voanews.com/a/us-spy-chief-warns-of-russia-s-nuclear-threats-potential-desperation-/6529922.html) Apr 14, 2022 — “We have seen nothing in the space out there that has given _us_ cause to change that [nuclear deterrence] posture in _any_ tangible _way_.” "It _is_ … [### How to prevent nuclear war: Give Putin a way out https://www.washingtonpost.com › outlook › 2022/03/01 ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/01/putin-russia-nuclear-alert/) Mar 1, 2022 — _Russia’s threats_ make a bad situation more dangerous. … If so, this _threat is_ so outlandish — essentially “be nice to _us_ or we’ll nuke … * * * [### The China Threat - FBI https://www.fbi.gov › investigate › counterintelligence ](https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat) Results 1 - 26 of 26 — The _China Threat_ … The counterintelligence and economic espionage efforts emanating from the government of _China_ and the Chinese Communist … - [### Director Wray Addresses Threats Posed to the U.S. by China https://www.fbi.gov › news › stories › director-wray-ad… ](https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/director-wray-addresses-threats-posed-to-the-us-by-china-020122) Feb 1, 2022 — _China’s_ Quest for Economic, Political Domination Threatens _America’s_ Security. Director Wray Discusses _Threats_ Posed by Government of _China_. [### Survey: Americans Increasingly See China as a Threat https://thediplomat.com › 2022/04 › survey-americans-i… ](https://thediplomat.com/2022/04/survey-americans-increasingly-see-china-as-a-threat/) Apr 29, 2022 — Currently, 62 percent of _Americans_ see _China_ as a competitor and 25 percent as an enemy. [### Is China a threat or an opportunity? Depends which … - NPR https://www.npr.org › 2021/10/08 › is-china-a-threat-or-a… ](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1041137034/is-china-a-threat-or-an-opportunity-depends-which-americans-you-ask) Oct 8, 2021 — In _many_ parts of the _U.S._, _China_ remains a huge business opportunity despite recent friction. That’s the country where Apple makes its … [### China Doesn’t Pose an Existential Threat for America https://foreignpolicy.com › 2021/04/21 › china-existential… ](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/21/china-existential-threat-america/) Apr 21, 2021 — As a military power, _China_ has no ability to destroy the _United States_ without destroying itself. _China’s_ nuclear capabilities are far below … [### China Poses Biggest Threat to U.S., Intelligence Report Says https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics ](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/china-national-security-intelligence-report.html) Apr 13, 2021 — WASHINGTON — _China’s_ effort to expand its growing influence represents one of the largest _threats_ to the _United States_, according to a major … [### China fires back, calls US 'the biggest threat to world peace … https://www.foxnews.com › politics › china-fires-back-cal… ](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-fires-back-calls-us-biggest-threat-world-peace-stability-development-fbi-warnings) Jul 7, 2022 — _China_ warned that the _United States_ is “the biggest _threat_ to world peace, stability and development” Thursday, after top _U.S._ intelligence … [### China’s Rise Is a Threat the U.S. Has Faced for a Century https://www.bloomberg.com › opinion › articles › chin… ](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-24/china-s-rise-is-a-threat-the-u-s-has-faced-for-a-century) Oct 24, 2021 — The _U.S._-_China_ rivalry can be seen through _many_ lenses. … over time, about whether Germany or Russia was the primary _threat_. [### Exaggerating Challenge From China Threatens U.S. Security https://www.forbes.com › williamhartung › 2021/06/22 ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2021/06/22/exaggerating-challenge-from-china-threatens-us-security/) Jun 22, 2021 — Official Washington has identified _China_ as the primary challenger to the _United States_ in virtually every sphere. [### Timeline: U.S.-China Relations - Council on Foreign Relations https://www.cfr.org › timeline › us-relations-china ](https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china) _China_, in support of the communist North, retaliates when _U.S._, UN, and South Korean troops approach the Chinese border. As _many_ as four million people die in … * * * Although to know the biggest threat, besides American avarice: [### How Will Climate Change Affect the United States in Decades … https://eos.org › features › how-will-climate-change-aff… ](https://eos.org/features/how-will-climate-change-affect-the-united-states-in-decades-to-come) Nov 3, 2017 — A new _U.S._ government report shows that _climate is_ changing and that human activities _will_ lead to many more changes. These changes _will affect_ … [### Causes of Climate Change | US EPA https://www.epa.gov › climatechange-science › causes-c… ](https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/causes-climate-change) Feb 23, 2022 — Burning fossil fuels changes the _climate_ more than any other human activity. 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Humans Affect Climate https://cleanet.org › clean › literacy › principle\_6 ](https://cleanet.org/clean/literacy/principle_6.html) Jul 28, 2021 — The human causes of _climate change are_ some of the most important … case for _human-caused climate change_ in this video segment, It’s _Us_. **[[Effects of Climate Change | Threats | WWF - World Wildlife Fund]](https://www.worldwildlife.org/threats/effects-of-climate-change)** ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/36 "2022-08-09T23:31:53Z")
> [@michaelcrawford](#): > > That tells me nothing how russia and china are a threat to USA They are not and the US is not a threat to Russia and China. The difference is that Russia and China are trying to annex other sovereign nations by force and these countries ask the US for help in defending their homes. No one needs Russia’s or China’s help in defending their country from the US. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758/37 "2022-08-09T23:43:25Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > They are not and the US is not a threat to Russia and China. I think you are optimistic. I’d have to admit that our mutual big D games are a threat to each other and ourselves and all the worlds bystanders. Hell, we are in a physical reality where our global heat and distribution engine is starting to show what global warming and destabilizing a ten thousand years old wonderfully stable climate regime, that enable human civilization to flourish. Now we see extreme storms destroy important infrastructure with a promise of much more and worse. That’s what we should be worrying about, figuring out better ways of harvesting and retain sweet water when it comes down in torrents, only to be followed by drought. Proactively preparing for the sea level rise, who’s rate keeps inching higher than earlier expectation. Trying to figure out how to consume less. Thinking of protecting farmland rather than destroying it. And a few dozen other things I don’t have time to list. But instead most are doing their best to ignore it, we know how well that works. _This is an exhausting thread, time for a music break._ [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/7/70155248fd7c405590eeb30a82f31108400a6115.jpeg "Riders on the Storm-The doors Lyrics") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rlkyt7JAQ&t=14) ---
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> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > I think you are optimistic. > I’d have to admit that our mutual big D games are a threat to each other and ourselves and all the worlds bystanders. I agree on a financial basis, but I was addressing military operations. AFAIK, we are only in a country by their invitation and if we are no longer wanted we leave. We’re out of Iraq, We’re out of Afghanistan. We have military 5 bases in Saudi Arabia, by their invitation. ---
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Fair enough. Though didn’t need to remind of us Saudi Arabia 👹 😉 ✌🏻 ---
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> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Though didn’t need to remind of us Saudi Arabia 👹 Just trying to maintain a semblance of objectivity… 😳 [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/amensty-international-ukraine-military-using-human-shields/9758.md?page=3)