# Afganistan **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 5, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088 "2021-08-05T04:55:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/1 "2021-08-05T04:55:37Z")
ME Teams are in for this week. America out China in Good bye America. Hope you enjoyed your 20 year uninvited stay ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/2 "2021-08-13T23:51:48Z")
So, by the rapid fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban after the pull out, leads me to believe that any control we had was a façade. It didn’t seem to be stemming from one location. But then again, I wasn’t paying that close of attention on the timing and location. ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/3 "2021-08-13T23:54:00Z")
There was never control. Nor should there be ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/4 "2021-08-13T23:55:46Z")
There, we can agree! ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/5 "2021-08-13T23:57:05Z")
So the AutoBot takes out the previous quote if your reply is next in line …? It’s happened to me a few times. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/6 "2021-08-14T00:43:22Z")
> [@mrmhead](#): > > AutoBot takes out the previous quote Not sure what you mean. Does it happen when you post twice in a row, with no one in between? ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/7 "2021-08-14T01:02:41Z")
> [@mrmhead](#): > > So, by the rapid fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban after the pull out, leads me to believe that any control we had was a façade. > > It didn’t seem to be stemming from one location. But then again, I wasn’t paying that close of attention on the timing and location. We had control. The ANA has zero control. ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/8 "2021-08-14T01:28:46Z")
No that’s wrong. Same with USSR ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 1:53am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/9 "2021-08-14T01:53:43Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Not sure what you mean. Does it happen when you post twice in a row, with no one in between? Yes. Just an observation / clarification. … Somehow I got the impression that if I quoted only part of the post, it would post it as usual … if you know what I mean ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/10 "2021-08-14T01:56:29Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > We had control. The ANA has zero control. With 20/20 hindsight, I think the Taliban let us have control. It was a waiting game. I think they even eluded to that previously. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/11 "2021-08-14T02:37:28Z")
Yes, they always said “you’ve got the clocks but we’ve got the time”. They knew we would leave eventually. But they wouldn’t be rolling over the country if we were still there. ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 3:05am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/12 "2021-08-14T03:05:31Z")
But you’re not. So what was the point of the 20 year occupation? ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/13 "2021-08-14T03:16:59Z")
The reality is that US imperialism is paying the price for two decades of crimes against the people of Afghanistan carried out under four successive administrations, Democratic and Republican alike. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 3:49am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/14 "2021-08-14T03:49:30Z")
> [@djtexas](#): > > But you’re not. So what was the point of the 20 year occupation? There doesn’t really seem to have been a point. Our leaders are naive and dishonest. They lacked the will to pull us out after Bin Laden was killed. ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/15 "2021-08-14T04:13:58Z")
Remember this? [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5) ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/16 "2021-08-14T06:23:25Z")
Afghanistan was a lost cause from the beginning, for many reasons, among them : 1. Opium: Afghanistan is one of the biggest world producer of opium and it brings money. To eradicate opium was necessary and impossible 2. The Pakistan supported the talibans, trained them and so 3. Nobody has never controlled Afghanistan which is a patchwork of feudal tribes. Mike Barry, an american, has written a book in French : Le royaume de l’insolence. In fact, the central power has always been weak and has to " buy " the peace. It seems to me that he has been translated in English by Cambridge press university [[Michael Barry (écrivain) — Wikipédia](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Barry_(%C3%A9crivain))] [[http://www.columbia.edu/~add2115/docs/2005-03-24%20barry.pdf](http://www.columbia.edu/~add2115/docs/2005-03-24%20barry.pdf)] ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/17 "2021-08-14T09:50:15Z")
Taliban 50 kms from Kabul ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/18 "2021-08-14T10:18:39Z")
Only a small point admittedly but the Taliban asked for evidence of Bin Laden’s involvement. Never could work out why they didn’t hand it over, they had loads of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![ibelieveinlogic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/ibelieveinlogic/32/18_2.png) [@ibelieveinlogic](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/ibelieveinlogic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/19 "2021-08-14T10:20:12Z")
One of the very few things Biden has said that I agree with fully is that if the Afgan people want a country they will have to fight for it. It is way past time for that to be USA foreign policy for all countries. Perhaps if we take a good look we might find the Afgan people are the Taliban. ---
**Author:** ![djtexas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/djtexas/32/18_2.png) [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088/20 "2021-08-14T10:22:17Z")
Americans are shredding documents as we speak [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/afganistan/8088.md?page=2)