# A Travesty of Justice for the Left **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615 "2021-11-20T02:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/42 "2021-11-22T03:19:13Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Martin was an entirely different situation Stand Your Ground was used in both cases ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/43 "2021-11-22T03:24:55Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > the rioters assaulted him first. A guy threw a baggie at him and was chasing him. It’s not clear what made the guy mad. No one else felt the need to defend themselves with an AR that night. Everyone else was trying to catch someone they saw as a killer. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/44 "2021-11-22T10:41:27Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > > > You really are the most terrifying culture on Earth. > > > > > This is a travesty of justice for sanity, for humanity, for evolution, for life, for love. > > You need to get out more if you think we are terrifying. I’ve been out plenty thanks. You win hands down. By a country mile. Our successor on whose coattails we pathetically cling, a shadow of our former monstrous imperial selves in whose Babylon image you are re-cast. You’re our Frankenstein. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/45 "2021-11-22T14:58:15Z")
I find it sadly amusing that justice, sanity, humanity is ‘left’? Not straight down the middle for three sigmas either side in the bell curve of enlightened morality. I realise that it isn’t, entirely due to evolutionary reasons which have massively skewed the distribution of moral sensibility to the right. So neo-fascism Trumps social equality for 49% of the electorate. The farce of democracy virtually paralyses the rest. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/46 "2021-11-22T15:17:06Z")
You’re right, martin-peter-clarke, justice, sanity, humanity, is considered “left” and “socialism” (often confused with and called “Communism”) in the U.S. I don’t understand it either and I live in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/47 "2021-11-22T16:50:56Z")
It’s universal, anthropological therefore genetically hard wired by evolution @mriana. It obviously has greater survival value over hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution built on hundreds of millions of vertebrate and then the same of invertebrate evolution. Greater than being unequivocally harmless and fair first. I think trees are kinder than we are. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/48 "2021-11-22T18:03:48Z")
Oneguy will love this: > **[Pro-Rittenhouse tweets came largely from Russia, China and the EU: ex-FBI...](https://www.rawstory.com/kyle-rittenhouse-support-tweets-international/)** > > Former FBI official Frank Figliuzzi tweeted about an analysis of the tweets from the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse came largely from outside of the United States. Figliuzzi said that the researchers took a sample of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets... > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > It’s universal, anthropological therefore genetically hard wired by evolution @mriana. It obviously has greater survival value over hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution built on hundreds of millions of vertebrate and then the same of invertebrate evolution. Greater than being unequivocally harmless and fair first. I think trees are kinder than we are. Are you saying I’m primitive? I thought it was the other way around and they are the primitive ones. Seems to me the evolutionary state would be to progress to non-violence for survival of the species. If we start killing each other, eventually there maybe none. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/49 "2021-11-22T18:56:05Z")
Like me, you’re in a helplessly privileged minority. Unable to communicate that, spend it on, benefit those less fortunate. Level up Rittenhouse. It’s too late for him, he chose the wrong parents. Evolution is slower than glacially slow social justice. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/50 "2021-11-22T19:15:35Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > I find it sadly amusing that justice, sanity, humanity is ‘left’? I think that is a Left filter, and it’s inaccurate. It is expressed very differently on each side. You should be able to express their reasoning in a way that they agree you have done it accurately. Otherwise, you’re not having a conversation, just a shouting match. Some people, that’s all they want. We ban them from this forum. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/51 "2021-11-22T19:40:09Z")
Sorry, it’s the centre-\>right that centre themselves, normalize themselves, when in fact that’s just behavioural normality. Being non-violently fair is what we need to be as normal. SoOhhhh, who’s shouting? Me? I’m failing to express the reasoning of neo-fascists to their satisfaction? It can’t be done can it? One can ask what happened to them to turn them in to murderous white supremacists, or, more problematically, what _didn’t_ happen in their moral development. What questions should we be asking them about the latter? ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/52 "2021-11-22T19:48:24Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > Like me, you’re in a helplessly privileged minority. Unable to communicate that, spend it on, benefit those less fortunate. I’m more of a minority than you. I have offspring who are 1/2 Black and I’m a woman. I have no privileges. > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > It’s too late for him, he chose the wrong parents. We don’t choose our parents. Genetics already has that one. > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > One can ask what happened to them to turn them in to murderous white supremacists, or, more problematically, what _didn’t_ happen in their moral development. What questions should we be asking them about the latter? Maybe we should see the victims and hear their story, if they are still alive and if not, those who saw what happened. “Strange Fruit” often leaves a lot of scars on the survivors. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/53 "2021-11-22T21:38:33Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > It can’t be done can it? I might have more time tomorrow. But this is an obvious problem. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/54 "2021-11-22T22:26:24Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > > > Like me, you’re in a helplessly privileged minority. Unable to communicate that, spend it on, benefit those less fortunate. > > I’m more of a minority than you. I have offspring who are 1/2 Black and I’m a woman. I have no privileges. I at least doubly beg your pardon @mriana. What can I say? ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/55 "2021-11-22T23:41:54Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > I at least doubly beg your pardon @mriana. What can I say? Well, you could help with fighting for equality, with every human being treated as just that- a human being. I think just about every country has issues with equality. If the dark skinned humans aren’t treated poorly, then it’s the women or both. ---
**Author:** ![martin-peter-clarke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/martin-peter-clarke/32/375_2.png) [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/56 "2021-11-23T01:04:58Z")
And how do I do that? As it’s the ultimate social goal. I live 200 m off the most ethnically and otherwise socially diverse road in the UK. Our immediate neighbours are Congolese Catholic and Senegalese Muslim matriarchies, across the street (Romans used to march down it) a Greek couple, he’s dying of cancer, a minority of Anglo-Saxons, Celts, British mongrels like me, lots of frightfully bourgeois Indians, our gay friend Gaz (who had to break in to the disorderly house next door to free trapped sex worker addicts, that woke us up), across the road a parole hostel that got torched two years ago, that kept us awake, and down the road, Poles, Russians (they don’t get on), more S. Asian Muslim and non, our friends James & Hannah & Heidi, Hugo & Lisa & Maudie, Anne, Emma, Albert (Congo), Adam & Alison, David & Sarah, Ian & Sue with whom we have soup nights. Lovely Polish guy with a fantastic Alsatian called Hera who looks out of the open third floor window at you. He showed me a video his mother sent at Xmas of a wolf eating next door’s Alsatian. On Xmas Day Adam rings a hand bell and everyone pours in to the street for champagne. Less will be coming out of Campbell’s ‘Hotel’ as the owner torched it last week to encourage the residents to move on. Nobody hurt. He’ll be at Her Majesty’s Pleasure for some time. The money laundering barber and kebab shops are Kurdish. My barber’s Sicilian. The high end eateries are Turkish. And don’t mess with the Albanians. Then there’s the homeless and vulnerably housed, three of whom I’ve known for years, taken on holiday with the church. One West Indian. One bipolar. The Iranians come to our street cleanings. Then there’s the street parties. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/57 "2021-11-23T01:37:19Z")
I’m sure your area has issues with equality. Become an activist by working with activist groups. Your neighbourhood maybe diverse, but step outside that area and is it still diverse? Diversity doesn’t always equal equality though. Research is always prudent regardless of where you live. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/58 "2021-11-23T02:55:57Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > > [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > > > > > You really are the most terrifying culture on Earth. > > > > > > > This is a travesty of justice for sanity, for humanity, for evolution, for life, for love. > > > > You need to get out more if you think we are terrifying. > > I’ve been out plenty thanks. You win hands down. By a country mile. Our successor on whose coattails we pathetically cling, a shadow of our former monstrous imperial selves in whose Babylon image you are re-cast. You’re our Frankenstein. Leave us out of your pathetic self-loathing, teabag. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/59 "2021-11-23T02:56:05Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#): > > And how do I do that Sounds like you’re doing quite a lot ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/60 "2021-11-23T03:00:17Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > the rioters assaulted him first. > > A guy threw a baggie at him and was chasing him. It’s not clear what made the guy mad. No one else felt the need to defend themselves with an AR that night. Everyone else was trying to catch someone they saw as a killer. One of the rioters tried grabbing the rifle from him and the other pointed a handgun at him. That’s plenty reason to kill them, and the law rightfully agrees. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615/61 "2021-11-23T03:00:38Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Leave us out of your pathetic self-loathing, teabag. Really? Why? Not cool. [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-travesty-of-justice-for-the-left/8615.md?page=4)