# A bottom up, biological, evolutionary, Earth Centrist perspective

**URL:** <https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-bottom-up-biological-evolutionary-earth-centrist-perspective/10576>\
**Category:** Philosophy\
**Created:** [December 4, 2023, 4:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-bottom-up-biological-evolutionary-earth-centrist-perspective/10576 "2023-12-04T04:14:39Z")\
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> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> The substantive Intellectual enlightenment.

I am trying to unpack that but I cannot make it fit. Can you clarify a little?

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**Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/a-bottom-up-biological-evolutionary-earth-centrist-perspective/10576/22 "2023-12-06T02:47:42Z")

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> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> Don’t make it more difficult than it is.  
> “pre-evolutionary, pre-biological, pre-atomic, pre-plate tectonics understanding.  
> The substantive Intellectual enlightenment.

No I’m not into trying to explain it, you know the difference - _before_ we were all guessing - _afterwards_ we started having solid data to work with. That’s a step up from relying on assumptions built upon other assumptions, which was what pre Physical Reality understanding.

> Yeah, that’s it
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> > "substantive Intellectual enlightenment regarding the physical reality around us, and the circumstance of our creation, and the source of our consciousness.

Lausten, lets cool it, because from my perspective, I just want to focus on what I’ve written in the first paragraph, and it’s starting to feel to me a bit of gaslighting happening…  
I do know what I’m trying to discuss and have gone to lengths to refine and defang it.  
You resent what you see as a complaint.  
I stand by what I see as an observation.

Let’s leave it at that.  
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Actually there is another something to add.  
The sloppy phrasing and undercurrent of self-absorbed thinking that I’m talking about, is exactly the kind of stuff that produces the kind of mental Basketball in Zero Gravity exhibited by Donald Hoffman’s [Case Against Reality](https://confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogspot.com/p/case-for-reality.html) and _inthedark_, with his ideas that when considered lead to nowhere.

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