# 89% of people want action on AGW **URL:** \ **Category:** Science and Technology\ **Created:** [April 22, 2025, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435 "2025-04-22T10:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/1 "2025-04-22T10:10:08Z")
> **[Most of the world’s population wants stronger climate action. They just don’t...](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/22/89-percent-project-climate-change?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > The Guardian is joining forces with dozens of newsrooms around the world to launch a year-long exploration of the ‘silent majority’ of people who want to fight climate change I never thought about it, but it’s not something you see people protesting, like no one is tearing down their neighbor’s solar panels. Hybrid vehicles are owned by a variety of folks. Now, taking positive action, that’s different… ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:07pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/2 "2025-04-22T12:07:19Z")
I hope they/we aren’t looking to the U.S. to help anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/3 "2025-04-22T16:30:35Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I never thought about it, but it’s not something you see people protesting, like no one is tearing down their neighbor’s solar panels. Hybrid vehicles are owned by a variety of folks. Now, taking positive action, that’s different… Yes, but the problem is so overwhelmingly large that most people see this as a passive endeavor. at best. The problem is not the desire for a stable ecosphere, it is the world’s century’s addiction to fossil fuels. Everyone who use any kind of energy will still be using fossil fuels at some stage of usage. As we discussed before, building a green energy infrastructure will probably use all the remaining oil. Until ALL energy is totally independent of fossil fuels, all we can do is minimize the harm. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/4 "2025-04-23T01:14:57Z")
> **[Tariffs will raise prices. But the climate crisis is the real inflation risk...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/22/tariffs-inflation-climate-crisis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > As temperatures rise and countries back off their decarbonization efforts, we must confront a reality central banks can’t correct About halfway through, there is a link that says it’s the first systemic assessment of impact of AGW on the economy. Well, it’s about time. It’s of course not the first, maybe the first one by some bankers. It’s what environmentalists have been saying all along, that you can’t have an economy without a planet. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 5:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/5 "2025-04-24T05:01:15Z")
> [Most of the world’s population wants stronger climate action. They just don’t realize that they are a majority](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/22/89-percent-project-climate-change) Says the headline. It’s not us, it’s those rich leaders. We’re willing to sacrifice 1% to better the world. That’s nice. Yet, in America we couldn’t hold on to finest Constitution and pluralistic government under the rule of law. None of the big boys’ were able to defend the need for government; the need for taxes; the need for educated experts; the need for health and safety regulations; the need for a respect for honesty in presenting facts and figures; the need for informative debates rather than theatrics aimed at our animal emotions. By and large, the good people of American turned their backs on that - and sold our government down the river, and it ain’t coming back children. There’s no turning our backs to our need for ever more stuff, to create ever more distractions and trash. No introspection invited or tolerated. But we can take surveys, ask irrelevant questions, and publish. > # Globally representative evidence on the actual and perceived support for climate action > > - [Peter Andre](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-024-01925-3#auth-Peter-Andre-Aff1), > - [Teodora Boneva](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-024-01925-3#auth-Teodora-Boneva-Aff2), > - [Felix Chopra](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-024-01925-3#auth-Felix-Chopra-Aff3) & > - [Armin Falk](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-024-01925-3#auth-Armin-Falk-Aff2) > > > [_Nature Climate Change_](https://www.nature.com/nclimate) **volume 14** , pages 253–259 (2024) > > Mitigating climate change necessitates global cooperation, yet global data on individuals’ willingness to act remain scarce. In this study, we conducted a representative survey across 125 countries, interviewing nearly 130,000 individuals. > > Our findings reveal widespread support for climate action. > > Notably, 69% of the global population expresses a willingness to contribute 1% of their personal income, > 86% endorse pro-climate social norms and 89% demand intensified political action. > > Countries facing heightened vulnerability to climate change show a particularly high willingness to contribute. > > Despite these encouraging statistics, we document that the world is in a state of pluralistic ignorance, wherein individuals around the globe systematically underestimate the willingness of their fellow citizens to act. This perception gap, combined with individuals showing conditionally cooperative behaviour, poses challenges to further climate action. Therefore, raising awareness about the broad global support for climate action becomes critically important in promoting a unified response to climate change. What of it, what can anyone do with this information? **How will this help anyone think or want to behave differently?** I suggest nothing can change so long we cling to our outmooted self-absorbed frame of mind. It’s not all about us. But suggesting as much continues to be the biggest insult of all. People pride themselves on being environmentalists and aware of Evolution, and sure, we are related to other animals. But it all seems quite superficial, rarely permeates any discussions about dealing with the future. As though economics and agreements can fix this. _(this article being a case in point)_ People get offended when one makes a point of explicitly enunciating the need to Deeply appreciate that our mind isn’t some gift from god - it is a product of our body and the world around us. It is a biological formulation . . . . . . Body + Brain + interacting with interior and exterior world = Mind. People will dismiss that statement as an intrusion and a distraction upon the conversation - when in reality it’s key to understand how humanity screwed it up so badly. Related, I contend that, discussions about consciousness need to go out of their way to be explicit and make it clear (then reinforce) that it is not simply “Mind” - it deserves more respect. It is a biological process that matters to be appreciated! Now someone will jump me, for writing the _same old stuff_ - no different from Inthedarks’ nihilism and nothingness repetitive and near worthless obsession. I counter, it is these Guardian reports are repetitive dog biscuits, that media has been feeding us for a half century. A lot of words that amount to little, and doesn’t change anything, or anyone - **because our underlying thinking and behavior hasn’t changed one bit in the past hundred and more years** - even as the world was radially transforming, and DEMANDING A MORE ADULT APPROACH, than the same old: ME FIRST. Our nation (like much of the rest of the world) turned out to be all too happy to once again embrace ME FIRST. We didn’t manage to do the right thing, to respect honesty and learning and caring about our children’s futures. We couldn’t be bothered to learning to take care of this Earth that created us, and that sustains and nurtures us. We didn’t even want to learn that we are biological being responsible for our own actions. It was too much fun to believe: “I think therefore I am” - now that made us special. I bring myself into existence. Back to wanting positive action of climate change that will require a profound inner awaking that no one seems the least bit interested in. So we’ll keep on keeping on till the bottom falls out to our respective worlds. Same as all the other creatures on Earth have always been doing. Still, it hurts, I was raised thinking humanity could do better. Nothing in our world will change, unless something inside of people changes. \*_That is our relationship with ourselves,_ _and our relationship with this Earth that created us._ _Hard work, still, it pays awesome dividends._ ---
**Author:** ![greenhammerxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/greenhammerxxx/32/28536_2.png) [@greenhammerxxx](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/greenhammerxxx)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/6 "2025-04-27T11:48:09Z")
China is our only hope ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/7 "2025-04-27T12:05:29Z")
Welcome greenhammerxxx, Looking forward to your thoughts. China must be a major player in that it has the largest population in the world and has he greatest effect on the environment. I admire their efforts in developing green power. Let’s hope some 40 years will be enough to transition from fossil fuels before they run out and were stuck with a worldwide useless fossil fuel infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![greenhammerxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/greenhammerxxx/32/28536_2.png) [@greenhammerxxx](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/greenhammerxxx)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/8 "2025-04-27T12:25:01Z")
The west has gone completely mad. > **[Experiments to dim the Sun will be approved within weeks](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/22/experiments-to-dim-the-sun-get-green-light/)** > > Scientists consider brightening clouds to reflect sunshine among ways to prevent runaway climate change ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/9 "2025-04-27T12:36:38Z")
Why it matters. Perception is everything. People act based on what they think others are thinking. > **[‘Spiral of silence’: climate action is very popular, so why don’t people...](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/22/spiral-of-silence-climate-action-very-popular-why-dont-people-realise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Researchers find 89% of people around the world want more to be done, but mistakenly assume their peers do not ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/11 "2025-04-27T15:17:10Z")
@greenhammerxxx Welcome, I think. The Telegraph is known to be conservatively biased and I won’t give them my email so if you could provide a summary of what it says, that would be useful. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/13 "2025-04-27T23:15:13Z")
Thanks! And why is experimenting with this “completely mad”? Obviously we need to eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels, but since we are failing miserably at this it might be useful to increase albedo wherever we can. Seems to me that not experimenting with physics that might possibly help us would be mad. And I can’t imagine this being exorbitantly expensive to try. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/14 "2025-04-27T23:22:17Z")
> [@greenhammerxxx](#): > > within weeks. Well, we can track it. I’m always Amazed when people make predictions with short timelines. Can’t wait for the explanation if it doesn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![greenhammerxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/greenhammerxxx/32/28536_2.png) [@greenhammerxxx](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/greenhammerxxx)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:42pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/15 "2025-04-27T23:42:55Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > And why is experimenting with this “completely mad” Geoengineering while we burn even more FFs. Is that what public wants? ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/16 "2025-04-28T00:37:42Z")
Honestly, some of the public thinks climate change is a hoax. Those people elect an ignorant leader who decries, “Drill baby drill.” Personally, that disgusts me. I voted for Harris. Given your concerns, I suspect you would not vote for trump and we are on the same side. But given that that we are burning fossil fuels, some people are trying to mitigate the effects. I don’t fault them. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 3:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/17 "2025-04-28T03:08:12Z")
> [@greenhammerxxx](#): > > Outdoor field trials which could include injecting aerosols into the atmosphere, or brightening clouds to reflect sunshine, are being considered by scientists as a way to prevent [runaway climate change](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/31/how-taxpayers-cash-funnelled-climate-manipulation/). Yes, lets inject some more stuff into the atmosphere. Maybe we could become luminous and light up our skies a lttle more. We are on a path to become “enlightened” people. Ain’t that a hoot! ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 6:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/18 "2025-04-28T06:45:45Z")
the desperate efforts of sorcerer’s apprentices to evade the issue of changing totally our way of life, of producing, of consuming goods, in short to maintain a predatory capitalistic system. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/19 "2025-04-28T13:03:31Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > But given that that we are burning fossil fuels, some people are trying to mitigate the effects. I don’t fault them. But if their plans are full of faults? Not to mention built upon a childishly naive appreciation for Earth’s complexities and disregard for untended consequences _(known and unknown kinds)._ Then the ruthless money men step up and figure out how to profit off the scheme, people who couldn’t really care less if it’s a success for not. Look at electric cars, they are wonderful, but are they really making a difference when it comes to “cleaning up the environment” and at what cost, now people are driving around time-bombs to “save” the Earth. > **[Lithium-Ion Battery Fires on the Rise, Destroying Properties, Taking Lives -...](https://www.senecainsurance.com/lithium-ion-battery-fires-on-the-rise-destroying-properties-taking-lives/)** > > E-bikes powered by lithium-ion batteries in New York City accounted for 267 fires in 2023, 18 deaths, and 150 injuries, according > **[Study finds rising risk of lithium-ion fires](https://resource-recycling.com/recycling/2024/01/22/study-finds-rising-risk-of-lithium-ion-fires/)** > > The National Waste and Recycling Association estimates that more than 5,000 fires occur annually at recycling facilities, and it recently warned many were likely linked to lithium-ion batteries. “Increasingly, these facilities experience catastrophic... History has shown us that increasing technology to fix the problems that increasing technology creates, doesn’t work that well. Back to the Great Dimming Debate > **[Efforts to dim Sun and cool Earth must be blocked, say scientists](https://news.mongabay.com/2022/01/efforts-to-dim-sun-and-cool-earth-must-be-blocked-say-scientists/)** > > Initiatives to inject billions of aerosol particles into the stratosphere to deflect solar rays and cool Earth are too risky to go forward; governments must act fast to rein in potentially disastrous planetary-scale solar geoengineering, say critics. > - _Scientists are calling on political institutions to place limits on solar geoengineering research so that it cannot be deployed unilaterally by countries, companies or individuals._ > - _Long-term planetary-level geoengineering interventions of this kind are unprecedented and extremely dangerous, say the academics behind the letter, and should not therefore be experimented with outdoors, receive patents, public funds or international support._ > - _Solar geoengineering’s leading proposal — injecting billions of aerosol particles into the Earth’s stratosphere — could have severe, unintended and unforeseen consequences. Modelling suggests that it may cause drying in the Amazon rainforest_ > - _In addition, if solar geoengineering were deployed, it would need to be maintained for decades. Sudden discontinuance would result in Earth facing what scientists call termination shock, with a sudden temperature rise due to existing atmospheric carbon emissions which would have been masked by cooling stratospheric aerosols._ > **[Scientists Warn 'Dimming The Sun' Is Simply Too Dangerous. Here's Why.](https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-warn-dimming-the-sun-is-simply-too-dangerous-heres-why)** > > The United Nations Environment Assembly this week considered a resolution on solar radiation modification, which refers to controversial technologies intended to mask the heating effect of greenhouse gases by reflecting some sunlight back to space. > **[Trying to cool the earth by dimming sunlight could be worse than global warming](https://www.preventionweb.net/news/trying-cool-earth-dimming-sunlight-could-be-worse-global-warming)** > > Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) might make the sky slightly whiter. But this is the least of our concerns. SAI could pose grave dangers, potentially worse than the warming it seeks to remedy. and so on . . . ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/20 "2025-04-28T15:29:11Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > the desperate efforts of sorcerer’s apprentices to evade the issue of changing totally our way of life, of producing, of consuming goods, in short to maintain a predatory capitalistic system. Sorcerer’s apprentices? There are no spells, magic, or witchcraft. Your comment about evading the issue of burning fossil fuels is a good one, but how many decades are we supposed to wait for serious reductions in such consumption to happen??? > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > But if their plans are full of faults? That’s what experiments are for. And experimenting is all this is at this point. > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Look at electric cars, they are wonderful, but are they really making a difference when it comes to “cleaning up the environment” and at what cost, now people are driving around time-bombs to “save” the Earth. Yes, over time they are helping the environment. It will take many years however for them to reach a scale and become affordable. We have major hurdles to overcome like recycling, mining improvements, and use of public transportation to name a few. And I wouldn’t call these batteries time bombs. But they do require care in manufacture, charging, and storage. And the chemistry is constantly evolving. > [@write4u](#): > > Yes, lets inject some more stuff into the atmosphere. Look, people have been raping this planet and misusing its resources from the moment we arrived. Rather than making a sarcastic remark about our faults, why not get serious and discuss specifics. This is supposed to be a forum for science and reason; not an emotional rant fest. The article cited in The Telegraph mentioned small scale experiments, some indoors, that are rigorously assessed. In fact, the leader of these experiments said that, “no toxic substances would be released, an environmental impact assessment would be published before outdoor experiments and that local communities would be consulted.” This is how science is supposed to work. These experiments can help us understand more about how we can possibly affect positive local changes to perhaps reverse glacial melting. Such experiments can also show us why we should NOT proceed in other directions. That’s all good stuff to learn. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/21 "2025-04-28T16:15:36Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > That’s what experiments are for. And experimenting is all this is at this point. Global experiments have global consequences! ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435/22 "2025-04-28T16:56:27Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > Global experiments have global consequences! Perhaps you didn’t read the article. These are local, controlled experiments. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/89-of-people-want-action-on-agw/11435.md?page=2)